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Too much talent?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by choujie, Feb 6, 2003.

  1. choujie

    choujie Member

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    From the beginning of the season, I kept hearing that we are loaded with talent, possibly the best ever in Rockets history. But I found out that Mobley and Francise are #5 and #6 in minutes played per game at 41.6 and 41.5. We all know that too much minutes may cause player's defensive intensity and overall offensive performance go down, mental mistakes go up. MJ and Pippen only average around 38 minutes in their championship years, so did Hakeem. If we truely have too much talent, why Cat and Steve play so much minutes?
    Too much talent or not enough talent or something else?

    BTW None of the players on Mavs, Kings, Spurs and Trailblazers played 40 minutes a game this year.
     
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  2. James23

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    the rockets does not have enough depth in shooting guard and both forward positions. their bench is thin and weak. playing too many minutes may and may not affect their plays, maybe except big men. players with heart want to play all 48 minutes, so they train their bodies to endure 48 minutes of war. jordan, pippen, iverson and sprewell are ultimate competitors.
     
  3. titaniumws

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    not enough talented players that shoots over 50%
     
  4. fatman510

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    We could have depth if Rudy used it correctly....We definitely need a backup SG and PF
     
  5. hikanoo49

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    Talent doesnt mean wins.

    Look at the Lakers when they had Van Exel, Campbell, Eddie Jones along with Shaq and Kobe. Arguably, they had much more talent then but got swept by Utah in the playoffs.

    But the key to winning is having ROLE PLAYERS. Otherwise than Yao, Posey and Cato, I do not think anyone is a good role player. This is what I expect from our positions.

    PF- Rebounder. Defensive stopper. Inside force. Instead, we have Eddie G playing like a SG taking 3s all day long and getting eaten alive in the post.

    SG- A consistant shooter that moves well without the ball. plays d. passes well into the post. Instead we have Cat who is only good for shooting.

    PG- Pass well. QB of the team. Player to set the offense. Instead we have Francis who thinks hes Iverson at PG.
     
  6. DreamWeaver

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    I think all the players who made it to NBA are extremely talented BBall players, but to win anything in big time sports, you need to be a well-oiled organization. Talent alone will never get you anywhere.
     
  7. lalala902102001

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    A team would never have too much talent. Look at the Yankees.

    However, the Rockets do have pieces that do not fit well together. Kenny pointed out on Inside the NBA show tonight that all the Rockets players need the ball in their hands to be effective. That is very true. Eventually we may have to shake up this roster to bring in players that fit well in the system, well that is if there is a system.
     
  8. carayip

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    I actually think our talent fit quite well if they have a proper system to work on. I don't think all our players need the ball to be effective. EG, Cato and Posey sure don't. Ahh if that's really the case, why are so many posters here proposing trades for Andre Miller, Elton Brand, Lamar Odom who sure need the ball more than EG etc?
     
  9. johnvv

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    Change the title to "Too Much Crap?"
     
  10. Nova

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    Rockets have a lot of talent (then again most teams do), but still the rox don't have much depth. The depth everyone said we had at the beginning of the season never showed up.

    pg - Francis is Francis, and Mooch is a decent backup, but Mooch can't play a lot minutes effectively. Thus Francis gets the a very large portion of minutes here.

    sg - Mobley can play all game long every game of course (I wonder what kind of health problems this sort of playing brings...), but when he rests (which is rarely), Francis plays some sg. Thus Francis gets even more minutes. Why? Because we have no other sg.. Hawkins? Sure, pretty good on D, but jeez, he really needs to learn to put the ball in the bucket. And Posey's time is taken up mostly at the 3.

    sf - Maybe our second deepest spot with Posey starting and TMo backing him up and Hawkins able to play here too. This position doesn't give a whole lot of offense, but gives great D (all three players give good D). This position has great role players in Posey and TMo.

    pf - Griffin and MoT...... out weakest f'ing position. Inconsistent play, bad D, average rebounding, horrible fg%... Griffin is either not ready yet or just refuses to show his stuff. MoT seems to be coming back, he's having some solid offensive outings, but D and rebounding from him are horrible. Plus he's still inconsistent. However he's a decent passer. If he continues to get better he should start.

    c - This position is doing GOOD. Ming and Cato kick a$$. BUT... although Ming is good, he's not strong enough to bang down low yet. And Cato's offensive arsenal is pretty small. Otherwise these two are probly our most praised, and rightfully so (well Posey too... and maybe Ming's been praised a lil' too much. ;)).

    So what do we need? A more solid backup pg, a f'ing backup sg who can shoot, and a pf who can play at all. Well that's not being fair to our pfs... we need a pf that is a decent defender and at least some sort of threat on offense (like a 10-15 ppg type). (Perhaps Daniels, Sprewell, Thomas could fill these roles? There are plenty of other player who could, but we probly can't get them.)

    You can't have too much talent, but you can have too little progress, which is the rox problem.
     
  11. Sishir Chang

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    Is it Possible The Rockets Have Too Much Talent

    After reading the Blinebury article today, "At Least They Talk a Good Game" I'm starting to wonder if the Rockets have too much talent? If you look at all of the great draft picks the Rockets have maybe its too difficult to expect them to play together as a team consistently. Also considering the great Rocket teams, 95, 94, 86, and 80. With the exception of the 86 team those teams only had two great players with 94 only one. What made them potent was that everyone knew their role and worked around the stars. In 94 and 95 because the team overall was undertalented Rudy's relaxed confident style worked to get the most of out of an ungainly collection of players. Rudy's style now just makes his stable of thoroughbreds more willful and wild.

    Anyone know what Bill Fitch is up to these days?
     
  12. LiTtLeY1521

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    Hmm...our team has a lot of talent. BUT Dallas and San Antonio and Sacramento and Portland and Utah and Minnesota and Los Angeles have EVEN MORE TALENT!!! Or at least their coaches knows how to use their talent.

    On our team...people don't know their role. They need to know their roles. Cuz they aren't going to make the playoffs.
     

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