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The Wizard Update

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by RocketMania1991, Sep 12, 2010.

  1. Bojangles

    Bojangles Contributing Member

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    Not an Astro.
     
  2. Joshfast

    Joshfast "We're all gonna die" - Billy Sole
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    Always an Astro.
     
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  3. Ender120

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    Oswalt was one of my all-time favorites until he decided to bail on the team.

    He didn't just get shipped out in a trade, he requested one. That puts him on my list of quitters.

    Why count him as an Astro and follow the rest of his career when he couldn't wait to get out of here?

    The worst part? If he does win a ring with the Phils, guess which hat he'll be wearing into the Hall?

    Here's a hint- there won't be a star on it.

    I hope he chokes. Hard.
     
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    You root for Round Rock?

    kidding kidding
     
  5. BetterThanI

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    Then why is he playing for the Phils?

    Ender120 brings up a good point: Roy asked for a trade. He wanted off the team. Mind you, I don't really blame him. He obviously has a few years left in the tank, and wants a chance at a ring. Good for him, best of luck. But he's not an Astro any more. He proved that by choosing individual accomplishment over franchise loyalty. I don't fault him for it, but I'm not going to pretend he's some kind of folk hero who gave up everything to stay with the team, because that's simply not the case.

    He's a great player who used to play for us. That's all. And, again, Ender120 is right: if he wins a ring with the Phils, he won't be wearing an Astros uni in the Hall, which, I'm sorry to say, would be appropriate. Winning a championship would be the highlight of his career, far outshadowing anything he accomplished as an Astro.

    Roy is the Astros' past. I'm ready to look to their future.
     
  6. msn

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    All you sour-grapes guys can simply choose not to click on the link instead of spending two pages whining about why you think it's the "wrong forum".
     
  7. msn

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    ..and another thing: spare us the crowing about "looking to the future." I was quite pleased with the Oswalt trade, and the last couple months have been a great ride! I can follow the guy, with some interest, and still "look to the future" of my team. The two aren't mutually exclusive, you know.
     
  8. RocketMania1991

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    So because you win a ring means you have to go into the hall of fame with that team.......?

    Nolan Ryan went into the Hall of Fame as a Ranger, and both the Astros and Rangers have his number retired.

    Guess what.....he won a world series with the New York Mets, so why isn't he in the hall as a Met?

    And about staying loyal to the franchise? Berkman and Oswalt had no objection getting traded because it was for the better of the team that we start rebuilding.

    They both could and would of easily stayed without even saying a word if it was in the best interest for the team, but it wasn't. The team was better off trading them.
     
  9. BigM

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    no kidding.... If you don't like Osawlt or don't want to talk about him just get out of the thread. He was a homegrown talent who ended up being arguably the greatest pitcher in astros history. Roger Clemens is a Yankee who we rented. not the same. If you can't see that and then understand why people still follow him then there's really no point in arguing.

    The obvious best situation for both the stros and Roy was to trade him. This quitting nonsense is a weak argument.
     
  10. rockets934life

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    He was still pitching well in Houston, not quitting on the team. He won't make the HOF. He won't pitch long enough. He gave 10 great years to this franchise. I'm not going to forget that. A guy nearing the end of a great career asking for a chance to be a winner? I have no problem with that.
     
  12. BetterThanI

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    No, read what I said again: "Winning a championship would be the highlight of his career, far outshadowing anything he accomplished as an Astro." You go in the Hall wearing the uniform you were wearing during your greatest success.

    Exactly my point: he was an Astro long before he was a Ranger. Why isn't he in the Hall as an Astro? Because his greatest career accomplishments (5,000 strikeouts and 7th no-hitter) happened in a Rangers uniform. If Oswalt wins a ring for the Phils, it will overshadow anything he accomplished as an Astro. It will be the greatest thing he has accomplished. He deserves it. He's earned it. But it would be as a Phillie, not an Astro.

    I'm not saying we should stop cheering for Roy. By all means, cheer for him (I do!). But I'm not pretending he's still part of this team. He isn't. In fact, he's actively playing against this team. He's not an Astro.

    So requesting a trade was an altruistic move on Roy's part? Sorry, I don't buy that at all. If what they wanted was truly what was "best for the franchise", why not take a pay cut so the 'Stros could invest in some new, fresh talent? They wanted to move on, to achieve more with their careers. I don't blame them: I would, too. But they're not Astros any more.

    This is one of my biggest beefs with the Astros franchise: we can be loyal to a fault. We sometimes hang on to players for far too long because we like them, when, in actuality, we should always be looking to make our franchise better. Sometimes that means fostering and developing talent, and sometimes that means trading talent away. I don't harbor any ill-will against Roy or Lance for not being Astros any more. But I cheer for the Houston Astros: not the Yankees, not the Phillies. I would love to see Roy pitch 9-innings of no-hit ball, but I'd also like the Phils to lose the game. I would love to see Big Puma hit 3 homeruns in a losing effort. I wish them individual success, but team failure. And I think it belongs in the Hangout, not the Astros forum. That's all.
     
  13. DonkeyMagic

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    Players choose what team they want to go into the hall as, dont they? Maybe Nolan didnt want to go in as a Astros???
     
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    He was an Angel before he was an Astro and had his greatest individual success there. The reason Nolan Ryan wears a Texas Rangers cap?

    John McMullen
     
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    Joshfast "We're all gonna die" - Billy Sole
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    Bingo.
     
  16. BetterThanI

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    Well, to a certain extent, you're right. But I think it goes more like this:

    The reason Nolan Ryan wears a Texas Rangers cap in the Hall?

    He finished his career with over 5,000 strikeouts and 7 no-hitters (and beat the cr@p out of Robin Ventura :grin: ) wearing a Texas Rangers cap.

    The reason he wasn't wearing an Astros cap at the time?

    :mad: John McMullen :mad:
     
  17. juicystream

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    They used to request, and the HOF accepted the request. Now the player has no say.

    And for proof that he would probably go in as an Astro if it ever got to that point, see:

    Gary Carter - 12 years Expo, 5 years Met. Won a title as Met, wears an Expo cap.

    Wade Boggs won a title with the Yankees, but is in the Hall as a Red Sox.
     
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    Not anymore. The hall decides for them, b/c wade boggs sold his hat to the TB Rays.
     
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    FAR OUTSHADOWING??? It would certainly be his top highlight but he did take the Stros to the WS in 2005. that certainly is a highlight.

    As an Astros he threw a no hitter, broke the strikeout record and made the playoffs TWICE so to say his greatest accomplishments were with the Rangers is overstating it just a bit. He did win 300, 5k and a couple No-Hitters so its close but not going in as an Astro has more to do with his departure then anything else. When he left it was pretty ugly and his relationship with ownership at the time left a bad mark.

    Pay cut??? You don't take a paycut when the team SUCKS. FAgent signings and not developing the system got us in this mess not signing Oz to a fair contract. He asked for a trade because it made sense for both sides, the atmosphere was awful and both sides needed a change. If you don't like him because he is not on the Stros anymore, that's fine but to most of us he is still beloved and will be for a long while.
     
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    Its the bad terms on which he left the franchise(due to McMullen) more than the 5,000K and 7th no-hitter that made him choose Texas over Houston.

    And yes screw McMullen for ever letting Ryan put on a different cap.
     

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