no one in the right minds likes the terrorists. But the US is a civilized nation of law and ethics. consistent, ROFLMAO He bowed down, time and again, to the Saudi prince who bought W's energy company at a huge premium W's people did not detain bin-Lader's family flight out of NYC back to Saudi Arabia, within days after 9-11. W vowed to catch bin-Laden; when that proved to be too difficult, he changed the target to Iraq while fervently propagating national security, he would have the world to believe that DuBai was the best operatior for the Port of New York and other ports in the East Coast never mind that Dubai's financial system aided / abetted (thru financial transactions) bin-Laden's 9-11 attack.
All of the above is true. Bush had the opportunity post-9/11 to better this country, but he has fumbled it badly.
Japanese war criminals were tried for crimes committed against humanity. one of the charges were water-boarding American POWs.
Exactly. They don't have enough votes to override the veto, but there was bipartisan support (especially in the house of reps) for the new legislation banning waterboarding. What I CANNOT figure out is John McCain's new stance on this. I loved that he was so eloquent and powerful on the issue of torture, and that he had the real deal credentials on this front, but now he's lining up with Bush? I just don't get it, and I'm not hearing him asked about it.
What I cannot figure out is how the hippie liberal sissies feel that they are in a position to question John McCain (who has been through getting his arms broken, his teeth yanked out and had to eat his own fecal matter courtesy of the Viet Cong) on this topic. My advice would be to pick another battle, sissies
yeah, he will go down as one of the most stubborn presidents in history. if you think that's good that your perogative. after all, jesus chose him
He was actually asked that question on 60 Minutes last night. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/07/60minutes/main3917681.shtml Pelley asked him about American interrogation methods today. Asked if water boarding is torture, McCain said, "Sure. Yes. Without a doubt." "So the United States has been torturing POWs?" Pelley asked. "Yes. Scott, we prosecuted Japanese war criminals after World War II. And one of the charges brought against them, for which they were convicted, was that they water-boarded Americans," McCain said. "How did we lose our way?" Pelley asked. "I don't know the answer to that. I think one of the failures maybe was not to listen more to our military leadership, including people like General Colin Powell, on this issue," McCain said.
You may be right. However, there probably was something else in that bill he didn't like. If he didn't vote would it make him more credible?
Huh, tough_texxx, so when my father the veteran asks the SAME question, how can we denigrate him exactly? TIA, troop hater. The truth is that this is a monumental pandering FLIP FLOP by McCain, one that shocks me, as I had accumulated some respect for his positions and integrity. In this case, he is going against the wishes of the military by supporting waterboarding, which he had previously opposed. He is selling out to the Bush/Rummy/Cheney camp, and he will have to deal with the political consequences.
It's not exactly the constitution, but: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
no need to invoke this - contrary to Refman's misrepresentations, the federal government does not have carte blanche to disembowel non-citizen prisoners at their leisure.
