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The Speech

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rimrocker, Jan 20, 2009.

  1. DCkid

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    Really? What did you think of the following portion?

    Just seemed ill-timed and outdated considering the country just voted in a black man to be president, and a large portion who voted for him were white. Although I do agree that Asians totally need to mellow out...wait. What? :confused:
     
  2. FranchiseBlade

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    He wasn't saying Asians needed to mellow, but that they would be allowed to mellow.
     
  3. DCkid

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    Okay. Still doesn't make much sense to me. Why aren't Asians allowed to be mellow now? Maybe it just is the only thing that would rhyme with yellow. :)
     
  4. wnes

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    "Allowed" alludes only to black, as in "when black will not be asked to ..."

    Read what DCkid quoted again.
     
  5. Rashmon

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    Doesn't the actual line go, "if it's brown, flush it down, if it's yellow, let it mellow?"
     
  6. FranchiseBlade

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    I think primarily it was the only word that rhymed. But if you look at the LA riots cops were originally set up to protect Korea town. But once the folks in Beverly Hills got worried, and made some calls, the police abandoned Korea town (with tragic results) and moved back to Beverly Hills which was never really threatened.
     
  7. FranchiseBlade

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    I read it. They will be mellow, because they are allowed to be. In the 1950's when talking about working towards something, one could say blacks will be President. That would mean that they would be allowed to, not that they need to.
     
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    :D

    This was the 2nd funniest post in this thread, after the Jon Stewart bit.
     
  9. wnes

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    You gotta do something to protect yourself if you are attacked regardless of what race you are.

    But that part of the speech simply doesn't make sense at all. How could all other races are "encouraged" to break the kind of negative stereotypes associated with them -- African Americans can work for themselves not their slave owners, Muslims shall not be afraid of persecution due to 9/11, Native Americans can be leaders in modern society, Caucasian can forsake racism -- but when it comes to Asians, the stereotype perpetuates?

    Maybe the speaker does mean it that way. :confused:
     
  10. BrooksBall

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    Joseph Lowery's inspiration (listen to the end):

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  11. FranchiseBlade

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    If he did mean it as Asians would be allowed to mellow, I'm not sure that sticks to the stereotype.

    At least in the context of the LA riots it would mean that the law would protect them equally.
     
  12. wnes

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    Are you saying if you put any other race in the position of the Koreans in the LA riot, they would just mellow out?

    Also what does protecting Asians equally have to do "allowing them to mellow"?
     
  13. A_3PO

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    My goodness! I think this is making rocket science out of basic math. He said it because it rhymed. It isn't even worth debating.
     
  14. FranchiseBlade

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    No, I'm saying that the police who were originally protecting the Asians of Korea town, abandoned them to rioters, because the people of BEverly Hills got worried.

    The police abandoned protecting Korea town, and moved back to protect Beverly Hills. I'm saying if the police had stayed where they were needed, the Asians in Korea town wouldn't have had to defend themselves and property, they would have been allowed to stay mellow.

    The police abandoned the Asians to defend the largely white neighborhood even though that neighborhood wasn't directly threatened, and the Asian neighborhood was.
     
  15. wnes

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    Just because it rhymes doesn't mean it's (politically, at least) correct. In inauguration, it sure raises eyebrows.
     
  16. wnes

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    FB, I am not disputing what you just posted. What I am arguing is that the "model minority" label, or Asians being "mellow", is a racial stereotype not considered favorably by many Asians themselves.
     
  17. A_3PO

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    He wanted to include Asians in his finale, and "mellow" rhymed with yellow. He meant no harm, disrespect or stereotype. Lowery is of the generation who's grievances are directed mostly one way, and it isn't toward Asians. I think you are being oversensitive.
     
  18. wnes

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    He may or may not be disrespectful, that's up to interpretation. My perspective is different from yours, which is OK. By characterizing me being oversensitive, you are oversensitive and a little hypocritical, though.
     
  19. A_3PO

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    Huh? Oh, brother! I'm not sensitive about this at all and your view doesn't bother me one bit. Seriously. Some of us aren't emotionally charged every time we post here, but maybe you can't relate to that.

    I also said "I think" you are being oversensitive about his comment. So that somehow makes me oversensitive and "a little hypocritical"? I've heard it all now. It would be nice if you dumped the chip on your shoulder and just tried talking to people here instead of at them.
     
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    i'll make a deal with you guys. unclinch your fists and i'll extend a hand. admit that your penises are small and i'll show you what gynormous is.
     

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