I've seen the 10th Ammendment brought up several times as an argument against health care reform along with other Federal level programs for example in this post from another thread. My apologies to the poster for bringing this using his post as a starting point and am not going to call him out to force him to debate the issue. Here is the text of the 10th Ammendement: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people. I think the applicability of the 10th Ammendment needs to be debated because taking the Constution as a whole the Commerce Clause and the powers clause in Article I empowers for Federal regulation of many of the things that people who argue for Federalism say are unconstitutional. Also the 14th Ammendment has extended the Bill of Rights and other Constitutional protections to the States.
Are you saying the thread is a failure, the 10th Ammendment, the poster I quote, or myself for starting it?
Internet history first? Also, I'd be willing to bet that 99% of the people making the health care=constitutional crisis argument are simply parroting what they heard on the radio. It's not a serious criticism.
Following the NESARA announcement, all traitors and political criminals will be arrested by specially trained constitutional law enforcement agencies, including Navy SEALS and Delta, where necessary. So these cowboys in the mainstream had better watch what they say and do, because notes are being made and evidence WILL be used against them, at the appropriate time…THAT IS A WARNING…!! A quote from Abe Lincoln: “We, the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the Constitution. Abraham Lincoln” http://www.nesara.us/pages/home.html “History Behind the National Economic Security And Reformation Act (NESARA) NESARA’s reformations are the main tools for implementing important US Supreme Court rulings made in January 1993 on several cases filed by farmers living in US Midwest and Mountain states areas against banks, specific government officials, certain judges, and others. Certain US Generals and Admirals were supportive of, and one General was co-plaintiff in, the Farmers’ Cases that went to the US Supreme Court. You may recall in the 1970’s and 1980’s there were news reports and documentaries about thousands of family farmers losing their farms to foreclosure. Willie Nelson has been doing Farm Aid concerts for years to help these farmers. In the 1980’s some of the farmers investigated why there were so many bank foreclosures on their farms and discovered certain banks were fraudulently foreclosing on their farms. When these farmers turned to government officials for assistance and filed lawsuits against these banks, they learned certain government officials and judges were working in collusion with the banks. The farmers also learned that certain aspects of the current Federal Reserve banking system were unconstitutional and pursued their lawsuits through the Federal District Court in Denver and other locations. Some of the farmers involved in the lawsuits were harassed by the IRS and in turn investigated the IRS involvement with the bankers. After years of lawsuits, several of the farmers’ lawsuits reached the US Supreme Court including Baskerville and Foster v. Credit Bank of Wichita, Federal Land Bank, and First Interstate Bank of Fort Collins from the Denver Federal District Court. For simplicity, I call these cases at the US Supreme Court the “Farmers’ Cases”. In early 1993, the nine US Supreme Court judges ruled seven to two in favor of the farmers on all major issues including that the Federal Reserve Banking system was unconstitutional, that the US has been operating outside the Constitution since March 1933, that major reformations of government and our banking system are required, and that financial redress and remedies must be provided for financial losses due to bank fraud suffered by generations of Americans. The farmers involved certain very powerful US military Generals and Admirals in their cases. These Generals and Admirals made it clear to the US Supreme Court judges that they knew the farmers’ cases were righteous and watched in the courtroom as the US Supreme Court Judges heard the cases. The presence of the Generals and Admirals is why the majority of the judges felt they had to rule properly and in favor of the farmers. Because of the extraordinary nature of the necessary reformations, the Court sealed all court records and put all people directly involved under Non Disclosure agreements (gag orders) until the reformations are publicly and officially announced. The Court had a duty to design and implement reformations to correct the injustices; therefore, the Court recruited experts in Constitutional Law, banking, economics, and monetary systems to work in task force groups to develop the needed reformations. During the two years these expert groups developed the reformations, irrefutable proof was provided to the US Supreme Court Judges that the 16th Amendment to the Constitution, the income tax amendment, had not been properly ratified. The Judges had no choice but to include abolishing income taxes in the reformations development process. It was also found that there had been a definite pattern of federal administrations and Congress ignoring the Constitution in laws passed since 1933. FDR took the US out of Constitutional Law when he declared a national banking emergency and amended the Trading with the Enemy Act in March 1933. Constitutional Law experts working on government reformations determined that to end the pattern of blatant disregard for the Constitution, it would be necessary to require the sitting US administration and US Congress to resign when Constitutional Law is restored. Following completion of the development of the reformations, the Court appointed certain experts and others to a “committee” which has authority to manage the process of announcing and implementing the reformations. The NESARA law requires that a minimum of one time each year, there must be an effort made to announce NESARA. Three current US Supreme Court judges control the committee in charge of NESARA’s announcement. The Judges have used their overall authority to secretly sabotage NESARA’s announcement; thus each year NESARA has been blocked from being announced. This is why NESARA has not been announced: the people with the overall authority to order NESARA’s announcement are, in fact, blocking NESARA. Due to the gag order on NESARA, it is difficult for true NESARA supporters to learn exactly what has happened to stop NESARA from being announced. Investigating details with hundreds of people has yielded exactly what needs to be done to resolve key issues and bring NESARA to announcement. After learning what the “problems” related to NESARA are, I’ve researched deeply to find the “solutions” and those people who can carry out the solutions and bring NESARA to announcement. In many ways, our country is facing the worst crisis of its history: More Americans are unemployed, drowning in debt, and living in poverty than anytime since World War II Our government irresponsibly races to assume more debt on top of highest historical debts Our military lose their lives in battles for greedy corporations’ gains Our elections revolve around lies, bribery, and betrayals. We do not hear “truth” in our media; the media is controlled by opponents of Americans and America’s Constitutional Law. We, the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the Constitution. Abraham Lincoln The cause of America is in a great measure the cause of all mankind. …We have it in our power to begin the world over again. Thomas Paine, Common Sense, 1776 Our Founding Fathers and Abraham Lincoln had true courage. Our Founding Fathers faced the reality of the tyranny by the English Crown and chose to put their lives on the line to gain freedom!”
LAWL Get that tinfoil hat on *real* tight there STIX. Now, I dont hold wiki up as the ultimate arbitrator of facts, but in this case it certainly has tons more credibility than you.
This is shaping up to be an epic battle. NESARA? Who knew? Forces for good: Forces for good are represented before the (secret) Supreme Court, itself a force of evil, by the crew of the USS Airwolf: <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/nr_CJL1YQRc&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/nr_CJL1YQRc&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object> versus Forces for evil: Forces for evil are represented before the (secret) Supreme Court, itself a force of good, by the Nazi A-Team, which is, you guessed it, a German A-Team made up of German Nazis (played by the same actors who did the American version; presaging Hasselhoff, they fled to Germany after the American show was canceled): <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/yS1JrWBTzOU&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/yS1JrWBTzOU&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object> On the fence: These must decide which side they come down on, and will ultimately tip the scales to determine whether NESARA, and America itself, will prevail. The fence-sitters, their backs to the wall, are naturally represented before the (secret) Supreme Court, itself a force of both good and evil, by the conflicted naivete of youthful double-agents: <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/-h7twJEPBCk&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/-h7twJEPBCk&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object> All in all, it's a pretty colossal battle. The Supreme Court decides one way when mommy and daddy General-Admiral are in the room, but totally backstabs them and family farmers when they're not. Tough call. However, I feel confident that any time you find Willie Nelson, Ernest Borgnine (in a supporting role), and "solutions" on the same team, a team which also has an indestructible supersonic killing machine on its side, they have to be the prohibitive favorites. So I think NESARA will finally be announced this year. Or next. Or maybe the year after that. Point is: it's totally going to happen. Unless, of course, the aliens come back to speed things up, then it will obviously be this year. Maybe by Christmas: <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/ZWQfcGSkeNU&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/ZWQfcGSkeNU&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object> Yeah, Christmas would be good.
