In another thread there is a discussion about Shaq passing Hakeem on the all-time scoring list this season, and it got me looking at some of the "all-time" lists. Stockton is so far ahead of anyone else on the steals list that it intrigued me and I got to looking at his profile page on nba.com. That's when I noticed some surprising statistics. He has a career high of only 9 rebounds. Yes, I know he was a point guard, but it's hard to image that he never managed 10 rebounds in a game. You'd think that in 1,504 career games it would happen almost by accident. Players like Scott Skiles, Mark Jackson, Mugsy Bogues, and Mark Price are all guys that I thought of off the top of my head and all grabbed 10 or more rebounds in a game. As a result of his 9 rebound career high (and because his career high in steals was also 9) he never notched a single triple double. Seems strange to me. Also, I was aware that he shot over 50% for his career, which is outstanding for a guard, but the thing that stood out to me is that he shot 57.4% one year. What's odd about the stat is that he averaged 13.8 assists and only 14.7 points that same season. How many players do we have in the game today that would be selfless enough to pass that much when they're hitting nearly 60% of their own shots? Stockton truly knew how to keep everyone happy. I mean, want to kill the guy for the dagger 3 in 97, but...he was still a beast. Anybody else got some interesting statistics to throw out?
Hey! Good to know I was at a point that I had 45% to lose. And if there's any left, here it goes... <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/nbqdxlZr4_0&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/nbqdxlZr4_0&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object> Us Rockets fans may want to skip from 2:00 to 2:15 to avoid conjuring up nightmares.
All time 3s made 1. Reggie Miller 2560 2. Ray Allen 2160 3. Dale Ellis 1719 4. Glen Rice 1559 5. Eddie Jones 1546 6. Tim Hardaway 1542 7. Nick Van Exel 1528 8. Peja Stojakovic 1479 9. Jason Kidd 1394 10. Antoine Walker 1386 This is really just to go back on your point about Stockton. Times have really changed. Players used to take shots where they were most efficient at scoring and PG's main job used to be setting up his teammates no matter how good of a shooter he was. ...and i really think triple doubles are overrated. Jason Kidd perfected the weaksauce triple double (about 10pts, 11 assists, 10 boards). It's great to be multi-talented and help your team in different ways but i'd much rather have a 16pt, 17 assist, 4 board type performance from my PG. Alot of the extra boards guards get are ones that their big man would have gotten anyway if they didn't get to it first.
Well on a more topic-friendly note, being the stat buffs that we are... I'm sure we all can appreciate the 1961-62 NBA season. God, I would have loved to have been an NBA fan that year with all the modern technology we have now. Who do you take with the first overall pick in your fantasy draft for that year? By all acounts, statistically the 2 most ridiculous individual seasons in NBA history. Wilt Chamberlain's 50 points and 25 rebounds a game? Can't go wrong there. Or can you? He also only shot 60% from the line and 50% from the field, and played 48.5 minutes per game (weird) How about 2nd year guard Oscar Robertson's 30.8 points, 12.5 rebounds, and 11.4 assists per game (The guy in 2nd place averaged 8). Not only did he do all that, but he also led in the league in FG % with a staggering 55%. The Holy Grail of a "fantasy season." Sorry Wilt, but thats my #1 overall pick. Unthinkable. Looking for that rookie sleeper pick? How about 1st overall pick Walt Bellamy? 31.6 points, 19 rebounds per and lead the league in FG pct (tied with The Big O) Talk about setting the bar high, he never came close to those numbers again. The most ridiculous rookie season ever for a guy not named Wilt. Wilt's Warriors averaged 125 points per game that season, Oscar's Royals put up 123. But of course none of this is good enough to compete with the Boston Celtics. Bill Russell wins the MVP award although for a Center his FG pct. is a dismal 45%. He did however clean the glass to the tune of 23.6 rebounds per. Typical east coast media bias.
I agree with that, but I wasn't making it a point to say that it was unimpressive that Stockton never got a triple double. Just unexpected.
A triple double is a triple double. I'd love for our PGs to get a "weak sauce" triple double every now and then.
Exactly, There is no such thing as a "weak" Triple double, That is just domination on both ends.........
10-10-10 is overrated now? Damn, I do not know what to think........ It is sooooo hard to get 10 rebounds in an NBA game, It is soooooo hard to get 10 assists in an NBA game, but doing them both on the same night is just flat out stunning.......
Not sure about Stockton, but I know Isiah Thomas could. I remember an old picture showing him jumping and touching the top fo the square template on the backboard. I never remember seeing him dunk in a game.
I don't think that triple doubles are unimpressive, but rather that it's possible to overrate players who frequently get them over those that don't. A lot of assists that point guards rack up are meaningless/not examples of good ball distribution but rather obvious passing or luck (see Stephon Marbury and Jose Calderon). A lot of poor shooting point guards look for their shot way too much. And a lot of rebounding point guards are products of playing with a soft frontcourt.
Fairly certain Stockton couldn't. (Just based on observation) I've seen Isiah get up high enough to dunk it, though I never remember seeing him actually dunk it in a game.
