nothing against Steve, but no he cannot break down any guard. Usually when he gets into those dribbling fits one on one he usually stays in the same spot and settles for a tough jumpshot. Maybe it is a little unfair to compare them because Steve was depended upon to carry 50% of the load on offense with Yao, whereas Bobby Sura is never called upon to take last second shots.
This is a Houston Rockets board. BrookStephens had some good thoughts about a Houston Rockets player and what he brings to this team compared to a past player. He did not yell, he did not scream, he did not bash. You are the one that is over-sensitive about this and that is on your own ass.
I wouldnt go so far as to say Sura > Francis. But I will say this. Beyond Yao and Tmac, I think Sura is clearly the 3rd most important Rocket player on this team. Watching Rod Stickland and Andre Barrett in there when Sura is out? Frightening! (although I will take Barrett over Stickland). Sura is not the best PG in the world. But at least you know you get 100% from him. He is a HUGE key cog in this team right now. I am afraid to think where this team would be if he goes down with an injury.
Basically you saying T-mac - Yao and Sura > T-mac - Yao and Francis? Francis is the focus of the Defense everynight Sura is . .at best a 3rd option So . . while the defense sets to stop Steve Sura gets the scraps when T-mac and Yao are the focus of the defense even if their numbers are similar. . . two cars going 60 miles per hour are not equal when one is going through a jungle and the other is on the open road So basically .. . you are full of *it* Rocket River
I'd take T-Mac, Yao and Francis because Francis has much more trade value ... I wouldn't let 24 hours pass before taking the best deal for Francis. Brand + Sura maybe? Steve is a better athlete/scorer/rebounder than Sura no question, but for a team that has weapons like McGrady and Yao, I'll take any player who is efficient, takes care of the ball and knocks down the open shot. You can argue if that's Sura or not, but it's definitely not Steve. After watching Steve in Orlando, there are some things I miss about him ... but the things I remember the most are the things I don't miss. They really stuck out to me. Sura has done a good job of patching up a weak position for us ... how long it lasts is anyone's guess. Backup center is more important on our team than just about any other, and Mutumbo also has done a brilliant job there, in my opinion. But PF is a monstrous weakness. Rockets need to dump Mo Taylor and a big bag of chips for a small bag of chips and find a tough, intangibles-minded PF, allowing Juwan Howard to be the change-of-pace, offensive-minded four off the bench. This is the biggest challenge CD faces.
There's no question who's the better player.Francis is better than Sura, straight up but the question you've got to ask yourselves is who's the better fit for this team. In that case its Sura hands down
Ouch! I do miss Francis' heart and yes, yes Sura has heart as well but it's still difficult seeing Francis in a Magic Uniform.
Although I wouldn't say it the same way you did, but I agree with you. BrookStephens is having a valid point here, and there is no need to diss him. Instead of saying how stupid the starter of the thread is, argue why you think he's wrong.
I love Sura. But if we had traded Francis for him straight up, I would have joined the other 99.99% of posters on this board in demanding that Carroll Dawson be summarily fired.
Comparing Steve to Bobby IS like comparing apples and oranges. Anyway,Stevie has all the physical talent in the world,but that doesn't make him a winner,or a great basketball player for that matter.Making your teammates better,raising their level of play,operating successfully within a team concept...That's what it's about.Look at TMac.He gets it. I watch and listen to Steve and see a ME first guy who needs to grow up..on and off the court.I'm ecstatic that we have put the future of our franchise in Tracy and Yao's hands.It's night and day from Cat and Steve. As far as Sura goes,I like his competitive fire.It seems he plays under control most of the time now.His jumper is improving,and the turnovers are less frequent.I don't know if it's knowing his role,his injury,maturation,or playing for a better team.Probably all of them.I would assume he will be an important piece of this Rocket team for quite a while. No,he doesn't have Stevie's ability,but Bobby's a helluva role player,at least,maybe more.
aw thanks chum. but since Bob Sura is HOUSTON rocket and Steve Francis is an ORLANDO magic and this is a HOUSTON rocket board you are just going to have to toughen up and not take it so hard when a Houston rocket fan points out some positives of Sura compared to some of the negatives of Francis. And when you start telling the guy he shouldn't care about that Francis had trouble running a fastbreak and Sura can, or that he shouldn't care that Francis was turnover prone and made bonheaded mistakes and that Sura's improvement in these areas make him happy, then what you say sounds stupid and worthless. But hey we all have our moments...
BTW, if you put Francis, T-Mac and Yao on the same team, the Rockets are totally done. There won't be too much hope for the championships we are hoping to bring. First of all, both Francis and T-Mac love to have the ball and create their own offense, although T-Mac does it in a more efficient and graceful way. The combination of Francis and T-Mac will bring disaster to a team, much like having Eddie Jones and Kobe Bryant together. Sure, on the other hand, is taking the back seat on offense, and focuses more on rebounding and the passing game, which is exactly what we need. Here is the killer, Francis will almost make 14 millions per year for the next six years (I don't know the precise figures). T-Mac makes well over 15 million a year for about the same length. Throw Yao Ming in there, who will for sure get the 6 years 86 million contract(if we don't offer him that much, other teams will, and heaven forbid, the Lakers surely will), they together account for our ENTIRE cap space, if not more. So, who else, especially a athletic type 4, are we going to be able to bring in with only MLE to work with year after year for the next decade? I like Francis for his intensity and heart, and he's a much better talent than Sura, but Sura is just as intense, and 5 times cheaper, and a much better fit.
I think steve francis is a helluva player......granted steve got himself 28, 9 and 6 or 7 or whatever........but he also allowed sura to go off for nearly a triple double.
i dont' know about that... there won't be enough shots to go around and somebody is bound to complain.
Letting Sura go off for 19pts shows how bad a defender he is, but I don't know how he can defend against rebounds and assists.
if you look aty the per 48 min. played francis scores more, but shoots a lower field goal percentage. francis edges him out in assists.. . sura gets more rebounds, steals, has a higher 3pt percentage, and less turnovers. bottom line: sura efficient, francis exciting, athletic, and a better scorer
