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Super Tuesday Scenarios

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Major, Feb 2, 2008.

  1. Major

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    That's only if you include superdelegates, which aren't really committed at this point. Different sites either include or don't include those, so that would be the difference. Based on the voters, Obama would be ahead right now (possibly to change after CA). Including superdelegates gives Clinton a +100 benefit or so.
     
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    CNN Exit Poll in California:

    > 60% Latino and >70% Asian vote Clinton over Obama
     
  3. FranchiseBlade

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    Colorado has not been called, but it's leaning heavily towards Obama right now.

    With 6% of CA vote Hillary is up 55% to 33%
     
  4. Major

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    Yeah - white people came out in favor of Obama. So who knows how that plays out. Plus, there's the issue of early voters - supposedly about 40% of the vote, and that wasn't included in exit polls. So everything California related is up in the air. Obama won't win, but the question is how far back he'll be.
     
  5. FranchiseBlade

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    That's unbound super delegates. Your futures market predictions have been wrong time and time again during this campaign so far, so I don't really care what they say. They've proven to be lousy indicators and tend to follow rather than predict.

    This thread is about about Super Tuesday as were the numbers I posted. It appears that tonight on Super Tuesday so far Obama has won more delegates than Hillary.
     
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    Where have they been wrong? Please point that out to me. I can't wait for your analysis. Oh wait, you're talking out of your azz again and upset because you see things slipping away for your man Ba'raq
     
  7. FranchiseBlade

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    I think the early vote has to heavily favor Hillary. Obama has to be close in terms of delegates regarding CA.

    There's no way to really tell what the final count in CA will be. I cast my vote for Obama. I just hope that it will help.
     
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    Key words being "so far." The overall result thus far doesn't mean all that much considering the huge prize that's still out there...
     
  9. Major

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    Well, let's see. They showed Hillary up 70/30 before Iowa. Obama up 65/35 after Iowa. Hillary up 70/30 after New Hampshire and Nevada. Obama tied this morning. Obama ahead 60/40 this afternoon. Hillary ahead 60/40 this evening. What exactly does this tell us?
     
  10. FranchiseBlade

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    NH, various points along the way between there and SC, and after SC. It just depends on when you check.

    It's humorous that so far Obama has gained more delegates than Hillary, and yet you are trying to say it's slipping away. LOL
     
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    You ignorant libtard. If they predict every possible scenario, it's obvious that they got it right at some point.
     
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    LOL have polls not moved around at an equally volatile rate? What exactly does this tell us, friend?
     
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    Doing the math in my head with the outstanding counties, and it seems likely Obama takes Missouri. What a comeback.
     
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    It IS slipping away. You have to consider which states lie ahead and take that into account. The futures markets do so. Ba'raq needed a HUGE win today, especially in Kalifornia. It's not looking good, which is why his likelihood of winning the overall is slip, slip, slipping away.
     
  15. Major

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    It tells us that they know nothing more than anyone else and simply follow the volatile polls - which was my point.
     
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    Agreed it is so far. But it does show that no matter what happens neither candidate is going to have a blow out tonight. It also shows how far Obama has come. Just around Christmas time, nobody could have imagined that Hillary wouldn't have locked it up by tonight if not sooner.

    But it is certainly too early to predict victory overall. I wouldn't dream of doing that. However the fact that Obama has kept it close seems like it might help his momentum.
     
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    Obama was just declared winner in Colorado.

    That was one of the big states still to be determined.
     
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    Are you in MO? I had no idea which counties had been counted, and where the strengths of either candidate lie in that state. I've just been watching the numbers and he was down pretty big, and then it's gotten closer. That would be a huge come back, though it probably just means they will break even in delegates.
     
  19. Major

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    Uhh, the rest of February is favorable to Obama, with a combination of red states, caucuses, and large minority states - all things that favor him. Plus, his strength is campaigning a few states at a time.

    The big questions remaining tonight are (1) what happens in CA and (2) how the media portrays tonight and any momentum that results from it. Assuming no blowout in CA, then he basically broke even tonight in delegates and states. That lets this thing drag on - the longer it drags on, the more it benefits Obama according to most analysis, both due to financial resources and the landscape of remaining states.
     
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    Ok so I'm watching Ba'raq speak on tv. His speech completely lacks substance. How long can you simply say you're going to change things, before people look at your record of not producing change and your record of getting beaten in the debates by Hellafat and say, bs.

    Ba'raq speech recap for anyone who missed it (over the course of the last 3 months...). blah, blah, blah change change change change blah blah blah mlk reference mlk reference blah blah blah change change change blah blah blah tilt head back and say we shall overcome blah blah blah

    yawn
     

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