1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Statistics Problem

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by OrangeRowdy95, Jun 30, 2011.

  1. OrangeRowdy95

    OrangeRowdy95 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2007
    Messages:
    1,534
    Likes Received:
    22
    My friend was having an argument relating to statistics.

    Basically, there are five people and four tickets to the Astros game. The group decided to put five names into a hat.

    The question they had was, should they pick out one name and that person would be the one not to go to the game, or should they have four different drawings (each person whose name is drawn will go to the game)? The group members tried calculating probabilities they could go to the game in both scenarios, but everyone stumbled. Common sense says the probabilities are the same. Is that the case?

    Usually I'm pretty good with math/stats, but my mind's a little numb right now...
     
  2. DonnyMost

    DonnyMost Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 18, 2003
    Messages:
    48,989
    Likes Received:
    19,932
    Yes, it is equal probability for everyone either way.
     
  3. Northside Storm

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2007
    Messages:
    11,262
    Likes Received:
    450
    In the first case, your chance of going is 4/5.

    However, in the second case, with each successive drawing, your chance of going decreases from 4/5 to 3/4 to 2/3 to 1/2.

    they all kinda end up the same...but second is more suspenseful I guess. for all intents and purposes though, you're just prolonging the process and not changing the odds fundamentally.
     
  4. liljojo

    liljojo Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2010
    Messages:
    3,423
    Likes Received:
    227
    In this case, the Astros have a 1 in 15 chance of winning.
     
    1 person likes this.
  5. shutkip

    shutkip Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2008
    Messages:
    109
    Likes Received:
    8
    Yeah, it's the same.

    For the picking of four names, there are 5 ways of doing this (5 combination 4), and in one of these ways does person A (assuming the five people are A,B, etc.) not get picked. So that's a 1 in 5 probability.

    For the picking of one name not to go, it's a simple 1 out of 5 probability that his name gets picked to not go.
     
  6. rhadamanthus

    rhadamanthus Member

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2002
    Messages:
    14,304
    Likes Received:
    596
    They are precisely equal.

    In the first case, your chance of not going is 1/5.
    In the second case, your chance of not going is (4/5)*(3/4)*(2/3)*(1/2) = 1/5.
     
  7. BEAT LA

    BEAT LA Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2009
    Messages:
    7,662
    Likes Received:
    197
    With one drawing you have a 20% chance of being drawn and not going.

    With 4 drawings it's:
    (1) 20% of going
    (2) 25% ""
    (3) 33% ""
    (4) 50% ""
    And one lucky man.

    (1-t)
    (.8)*(3/4)*(2/3)*(1/2) = 20%

    They are the same, but I would add the extra 30 seconds of suspense.
     
    #7 BEAT LA, Jun 30, 2011
    Last edited: Jun 30, 2011
  8. Northside Storm

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2007
    Messages:
    11,262
    Likes Received:
    450
    Second one is funner though, your odds start to "shift" as new information comes in, even if they were fundamentally the same before and are the same if you consider the overall picture. But with the second, you can slowly glimpse your passage into "not getting reward hell".

    then again, astros game. meh.
     
  9. rhadamanthus

    rhadamanthus Member

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2002
    Messages:
    14,304
    Likes Received:
    596
    That's the real key. I'd feel lucky to hit that 20%.
     
  10. wtfamonkey

    wtfamonkey Member

    Joined:
    May 28, 2008
    Messages:
    400
    Likes Received:
    30
    love it :grin::grin:
     
  11. flipmode

    flipmode Member

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2003
    Messages:
    876
    Likes Received:
    65
    this seems like it ALMOST qualifies as a monty hall problem.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Hall_problem

    HOWEVER - there is no omniscient third party that is forced to reveal a "wrong door".... which means that i agree - either way you choose, you always have a 20% chance of not going.
     

Share This Page