LOL yesterday i replied to a Carl Harrera post that it was the funniest thing I read all week.. nope. :grin:
Ok you're right about that. But why are his kids never age or changes clothing and playing/posing in the position the same day that he left them and returns? There are many other factors but I'm still trying to get my around the whole movie. I'm pretty sure it's a dream within a dream. If the ending was the real world than the movie wouldn't be anything special to discuss about.
Yea that's the same reason I'm thinking it might still be a dream... because that's the last memory he has of them and it's the same thing he sees in his dreams. So when he returns and calls to them and they turn around I think that just shows that he's accepted everything.
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Unless I'm mistaken, we're never really given a time frame from when Cobb is suspected of murdering Mal (and when he leaves the country) until the job is finished. The kids may not have aged much at all by the time he sees them.
I agreed with that. But why does we see him leaving and returning to the exactly same memory(his kids playing and same clothing) where he left off? I think he makes a mistake or on purpose by having the kids memory wearing the same clothing throughout the whole movie. Did anyone notice if his wife wore the same clothing throughout the movie or does it changes?
The movie gives us something to talk about simply because we don't know what happened in the end. If it was definitive what else is there to say? ... Obviously Nolan left it perfectly vague to keep the audience guessing. It is entirely possible that his kids could have been wearing the same clothes, playing in the same backyard, as the day he left. Kid's do wear the same clothes more than once after all. If they were wearing something different that would have been an obvious indicator he was in the real world. If it was a cloudy or rainy day, if there backs weren't turned to him, if the top never wobbled, then we would have had clear signs pointing one way or the other.
i read that the kids were wearing similar clothes but not the same. e.g. their shoes are different. also, the actors they used were different from the first shots of the kids and last shot ages varying from 18 months to 3-5 years old. but thats beside the point. also there are other minute details like his wedding ring being present in some scenes and not in others. also, since the spinning top belonged to Mal, can we trust it? Nolan succeeded at making us into Cobb. (obsessed over what is real and what is fantasy). like reading "Hardboiled Wonderland at the End of the World". very Haruki Murakami Cobb chose his reality. he decided to stop caring whether the top stopped spinning or not. it isnt important whether it's 'real' or not.
I don't understand this theory. If it's true that Cobb stopped caring about the spinning top, then what's the whole point of the entire movie? Why even spin the top at all? Of course Cobb cared, and of course it's important to him whether it's real. More than anything he wanted to see his kids. I doubt he would have accepted reuniting with them knowing it's not part of reality. Otherwise his entire journey (losing his wife, inception, going to limbo and back), not to mention his catharsis, would have meant nothing.
that's fine if you took that from the ending. it was left open to interpretation. i think he realized that it didnt matter anymore. that's why he didnt wait for the totem to tumble. it mattered to him until the moment he saw his kids faces. if he was still obsessed with really knowing if he was awake or not then i think he wouldve waited to see. then after the top stopped spinning or continued, he would have tried to jar himself awake or live happily ever after. but he walked away from the table without checking the totem. maybe the next scene wouldve been him spinning it again. who knows?
Someone mentioned the stairs earlier and I'm somewhat convinced that it's an endless loop of dreams. The beginning showed two people that has seemingly gone through a lot together. Leo asked the old man to take a leap of faith. His health was deteriorating. Maybe they went into a dream world to buy him more time? Come up with an alternate reality where he can live again. (a valid argument is how did he become young again in the "reality" scene.) They would then go through the "reality" scene, go through a 3rd dream, 4th dream, etc.... In the end, he followed through a series of dreams and washed up on the shore to see the man old again.
I'm gonna have to watch this again. Definitely the best outrageous ticket price of $9.50 that I've enjoyed in a while. Power went out midway through the movie with the storms on Saturday and we left. Watched the rest via the Internets but didn't catch half the stuff mentioned here.
that's interesting. i like that another interpretation is that Saito was stuck in limbo for ages on a completely different timeline. remember that in dreams time passes more quickly than in reality. and then subsequent dreams within dreams faster. like how the van was in free fall and they had time to complete the mission. i cant remember but i think it was smthg like 10 minutes reality ~5 hours dream. then 10 minutes of layer 2 dream is days reality. Cobb had to go get Saito from limbo and Saito could have been waiting for decades in limbo. also maybe the reason Cobb n Saito woke up last on the plane. they may have taken years to get out of limbo but only a few minutes may have passed on the plane.
Now I understood why the movie kick off in China/Asia in a philosophical setting. ------------------------ Once upon a time, I, Zhuangzi, dreamt I was a butterfly, fluttering hither and thither, to all intents and purposes a butterfly. I was conscious only of my happiness as a butterfly, unaware that I was Zhuangzi. Soon I awaked, and there I was, veritably myself again. Now I do not know whether I was then a man dreaming I was a butterfly, or whether I am now a butterfly, dreaming I am a man. --- He who dreams of drinking wine may weep when morning comes; he who dreams of weeping may in the morning go off to hunt. While he is dreaming he does not know it is a dream, and in his dream he may even try to interpret a dream. Only after he wakes does he know it was a dream. And someday there will be a great awakening when we know that this is all a great dream. Yet the stupid believe they are awake, busily and brightly assuming they understand things, calling this man ruler, that one herdsman – how dense! Confucius and you are both dreaming! And when I say you are dreaming, I am dreaming, too. Words like these will be labeled the Supreme Swindle. --------------------- - Zhuangzi – Chinese philospher (369-286 BC)
Inception Info-Graphic/timeline: Spoiler http://dehahs.deviantart.com/art/Inception-Infographic-172424503
