1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Something is different.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Mathloom, Oct 26, 2009.

  1. Dubious

    Dubious Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2001
    Messages:
    18,318
    Likes Received:
    5,090

    Yeah you know, I didn't read that. I started to but my eyes just lost focus.
     
  2. BetterThanI

    BetterThanI Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2007
    Messages:
    4,181
    Likes Received:
    381
    Hate to break it to you, but they aren't being portrayed as being shrill and unhinged. They're shouting down speakers at town-hall meetings, going to political rallies with assault rifles and equating the President of the United States with Marx, Lenin, and Hitler. The left didn't make those things up. They happened. We saw them reported on a daily basis (proudly, in the case of Faux News).

    They aren't being portrayed as being shrill and unhinged, they ARE shrill and unhinged.
     
    #42 BetterThanI, Oct 26, 2009
    Last edited: Oct 26, 2009
  3. FranchiseBlade

    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2002
    Messages:
    51,820
    Likes Received:
    20,482
    Please show me what you believe Obama has done that is governing from the far left. I haven't seen it.
     
  4. MojoMan

    MojoMan Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2009
    Messages:
    7,746
    Likes Received:
    2,153
    I already answered this question once in post #35 of this thread.

    But for you, I will answer it again:

    His proactive support for cap and trade legislation.
     
  5. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 1999
    Messages:
    129,514
    Likes Received:
    40,080
    Did you miss the use of the word "some"?

    :D

    DD
     
  6. FranchiseBlade

    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2002
    Messages:
    51,820
    Likes Received:
    20,482
    That hardly seems far left to me. But given all that has gone on in this administration, that one example, it seems strange rto call that for the most part.
     
  7. Dubious

    Dubious Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2001
    Messages:
    18,318
    Likes Received:
    5,090


    #1 as an idea to lower CO2 emission, Cap and Trade is a brilliant plan to open a whole new level of financial exploitation to Goldman Sachs so you should be for it. It's so pro-broker it should transcend all party affiliations, a rising tide that raises all campaign funds.
     
  8. MojoMan

    MojoMan Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2009
    Messages:
    7,746
    Likes Received:
    2,153
    I would not be surprised to discover there are a lot of posters on this board who regard Obama as a centrist. I think that says more about them than it does about Obama or his true political bent.
     
  9. BigBenito

    BigBenito Member

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2002
    Messages:
    7,355
    Likes Received:
    175
    Wasn't cap and trade a bush policy? (I admit, this is a topic I really don't care about/follow.)
     
  10. MojoMan

    MojoMan Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2009
    Messages:
    7,746
    Likes Received:
    2,153
    No, it wasn't.
     
  11. Dubious

    Dubious Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2001
    Messages:
    18,318
    Likes Received:
    5,090
    As with everything, your interpretation depends on your point of view. If you are left he looks centrist, if you watch Fox he is either Stalin or Hitler.
     
  12. MojoMan

    MojoMan Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2009
    Messages:
    7,746
    Likes Received:
    2,153
    No partisanship contained in that post. No no. Certainly not.
     
  13. Bogey

    Bogey Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    2,251
    Likes Received:
    118
    This actually could have a huge negative effect on the Houston economy and our increased dependance on foreign oil.
     
  14. studogg

    studogg Member

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2002
    Messages:
    6,057
    Likes Received:
    2,661
    the op misses the point of racism

    obama is black and that pisses alot of people off

    he is liberal and that pisses even more people off

    he is pushing for health reform after a huge real estate bailout

    that pisses ghandi off

    yes he won.

    he was going against a pathetic republican campaign on the heels of a horrendous bush tenure

    dukakis would have even won

    as many have said, the right is also firing back because they are tired of being fired at for 8 years... hell, chaney started early

    they say hell hath no fury as a woman scorn... well, i'd say hell hath no fury as a republican whose been asked to pay a full tax burden
     
  15. Dubious

    Dubious Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2001
    Messages:
    18,318
    Likes Received:
    5,090
    Well, technically Fox is not a political party. The joke was really aimed at how duplicitous their propaganda is in that they can't decide whether Mr. Obama is a fascist or a communist, you know the diametrically opposed philosophies that led to the deadliest land war in the history of the planet.

    Who got the universal coverage? the conscripted peasants of the Bolsheviks or the brainwashed robo-youth of the cult of nationalism?
     
  16. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 1999
    Messages:
    129,514
    Likes Received:
    40,080
    Same ole, same ole.....

    DD
     
  17. BucMan55

    BucMan55 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2005
    Messages:
    4,736
    Likes Received:
    62
    I think the majority of it is that Fox is on the attack of the president now, isntead of trying to spin/defend the president. So some of the fringe things they perceived as being done to GW, they are now doing to BO. But thing is, they were fringe attacks and not worth the mention on most news channels. Fox is taking similar type things but making them national news due to their incessant barrage at the administration. It just makes them look stupid and bitter.


    That, and from what I can tell there is a strong racial element. I would say if you count Bush's attacks as a baseline 100%, you would probably have 80% of that going against Obama. Add another 40-50% of that as a racial element and it completes the picture. Thus you have 20-30% more anger against Obama than you had vs Bush.


    Thats what I am seeing, and I am a relatively conservative Christian. (Starting to slow down on calling myself a republican, since they are getting a bit out of hand and losing their identity.)


    BTW, my numbers are just made up, but the gist is almost as much raw anger as against Bush, but with an added racial element that makes it overall much worse.
     
  18. Dubious

    Dubious Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2001
    Messages:
    18,318
    Likes Received:
    5,090
    So contributing to a national health care system that would render the services of mercy to the poor isn't a christian policy?

    Admittedly, I quit going to church as soon as I got old enough to hide my dress shoes, but I got far enough along to get the point that Jesus likes that kind of thing.
     
  19. BucMan55

    BucMan55 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2005
    Messages:
    4,736
    Likes Received:
    62

    Jesus likes when you help the less fortunate. Bible says something to the effect of "What you do for even the least of these(people), you do for me."

    Go look at what most churches do in their local communities to help the less fortunate. You might be surprised at the outpouring of volunteers that help provide meals or homes or even money for hospital bills.
     
  20. glynch

    glynch Member

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2000
    Messages:
    18,100
    Likes Received:
    3,609
    I have not read the thread, but will when I have a bit more time.

    The polarization that is happening is very predictable and last happened during the Great Depression. Starting with Reagan, there has been a conscious steady rise of inequality in this country-- a redistribution of wealth from the poor and working class to the weathly and to a lesser degree to the better educated. You now combine that with the current recession/depression and it is the recipe for lack of moderation.

    You cannot sensibly support the unregulated, low tax economics, with its policy of creating more losers and fewer but bigger winners, of the last 30 years and expect the tone of civil discourse in this country to not start resembling more that of the underdeveloped countries than that of the developed countries that have maintained less inequality. Losing your standard of living even if it is just a percent or two a year eventually adds up.
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now