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Solving Illegal Immigration

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by thumbs, Jun 15, 2018.

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    Lil' marco further embarrassing America to an important foreign ally...

     
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    This would require Congressional funding and have a lot of backlash, but it's not like Trump's deportation priority was too different when he was in office. Obama was nicknamed "deporter-in-chief" when he was targeting high-priority criminals for deportation in addition to doing many work raids. I don't think Trump did as many work raids as Obama, but had the ground force policy of deport anybody, regardless of job, years, family, or criminal priority. Some DHS officials like it, while others didn't, but that was presidential perogative.

    So that tweet is nothing novel. The law actually demands temporary facilities for migrants awaiting deportation determinations. It's just never funded. So, the new thing would be if Trump just stole the money through executive orders, like with the wall, and then we'll see what SCOTUS does regarding following the separation of powers structure of the Constitution.
     
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    Funding is the biggest issue but also how does he get the forces necessary to do so? As already shown states can’t enforce border and immigration laws and given the varying states already have different views on immigration it would be problematic and possibly illegal to use state forces (law enforcement, national guard) to do the type of actions Trump is proposing.
     
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    Trump asked for $8.6B for the wall (even though Mexico is paying for it, lol). A Republican Congress gave him $1.4B. So, he declared an immigration national emergency and used military funds meant for wartime temporary structures, like battlefield hospitals, to put towards the wall fund. Of course, that's blatantly unconstitutional imo, but I'm just an idiot. No president has every overridden Congressional funding. Nixon sort of did the opposite and didn't spend what was allocated, but then Congress passed more laws to prevent that from happening again. Anyhow, the wall emergency moved got sued, the courts were slow and it's still in the system, but it's kind of moot because Biden stopped the wall. The allocated money wasn't even fully used yet, and Biden tried to stop that until the courts indicated that you can't go against money allocated, even for Wall adjacent stuff, like roads and cameras.

    So Biden kind of tried to pull a Nixon, but stopped when the tea leaves were against him. That was when the Democratic party was still soft on immigration border enforcement (60/40 leaning towards progressives imo, even though the public opinion was split much closer or even the other way). Then Abbott put everyones balls to the fire and the Dems went towards the centrist wing and now are in for border enforcement improvements.

    Anyhow, I fully expect Trump to unconstitutionally steal any money he wants if Congress won't give it to him. He already did it once. The courts will be slow, but eventually will say no, except for the 5th circuit. SCOTUS will say no. Trump might abide or might just tell SCOTUS to try and stop him. Then, we did it, tear up the Constitution, make Trump the king and have like a 18th to 19th century France type future. Woohoo. Congrats Democratic and Republican parties - y'all suck ass. Maybe I'm a little pessimistic. I'm just going to stockpile and find an island somewhere. I really don't think we're headed towards that future, but it's possible...too possible.
     
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    I hear Little Saint James island has excellent weather this time of year...
     
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    I know... maga republicans are shameless...

     
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    marsha marsha marsha...

     
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    I have never seen a group of politicians bend the knee so willingly for a guy that might not even win and immediately after J6 said they were done with him.............so what happens if he doesn't win, do they all do a 180 like they did after J6, their credibility will be shot, not that they care about something like integrity. They are so afraid of their maga base that they won't even stand up to a convicted sexual predator.
     
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    If Trump loses on 11/3/2024 I predict we will see a lot of the same as 2020 with a lot of claims of a stolen election and possibly an attempted repeat of 1/6/2021 on 1/6/2025. That will likely fail and there will be a lot of Republicans saying they are done for Trump forever but once polling shows he still commands a large loyal following within a month they are back supporting him.
     
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    Definitely a blessing. We're fortunate that people want to come here for work. What's needed is reform to ensure it's done legally and orderly.

    The surge in immigration is a $7 trillion gift to the economy
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/02/13/immigration-economy-jobs-cbo-report/

    As the economy has improved and consumers have begun recognizing that improvement, Republicans have pivoted to attacking President Biden on a different policy weakness: immigration. After all, virtually everyone — Democrats included — seems to agree the issue is a serious problem.

    But what if that premise is wrong? Voters and political strategists have treated our country’s ability to draw immigrants from around the world as a curse; it could be a blessing, if only we could get out of our own way.

    Consider a few numbers: Last week, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office released updated 10-year economic and budget forecasts. The numbers look significantly better than they did a year earlier, and immigration is a key reason.

    The CBO has now factored in a previously unexpected surge in immigration that began in 2022, which the agency assumes will persist for several years. These immigrants are more likely to work than their native-born counterparts, largely because immigrants skew younger. This infusion of working-age immigrants will more than offset the expected retirement of the aging, native-born population.

    This will in turn lead to better economic growth. As CBO Director Phill Swagel wrote in a note accompanying the forecasts: As a result of these immigration-driven revisions to the size of the labor force, “we estimate that, from 2023 to 2034, GDP will be greater by about $7 trillion and revenues will be greater by about $1 trillion than they would have been otherwise.”

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    Got that? The surprise increase in immigration has led a multitrillion-dollar windfall for both the overall economy and federal tax coffers.

    The CBO is hardly the only observer that has highlighted the benefits of the recent influx of foreign-born workers.

    As I reported in 2021, “missing” immigrant workers — initially because of pandemic-driven border closures and later because of backlogged immigration agencies — contributed to labor shortages and supply-chain problems. But since then, work-permit approvals and other bureaucratic processes have accelerated. Federal Reserve officials noted that this normalization of immigration numbers boosted job growth and helped unwind supply-chain kinks.

    Over the long term, Federal Reserve Chair Jerome H. Powell recently said on CBS News’s “60 Minutes,” “the U.S. economy has benefited from immigration. And, frankly, just in the last year a big part of the story of the labor market coming back into better balance is immigration returning to levels that were more typical of the pre-pandemic era.”

    A rise in the number of people ready and willing to work is not the only economic benefit. Immigrants are also associated with other positive growth effects, including higher entrepreneurship rates and disproportionate contributions to science, research and innovation.

    Consider, too, the national security, humanitarian and religious arguments for providing refuge to persecuted people around the world.

    None of this is to diminish the near-term stresses on the U.S. economy that come from poorly managed flows of immigration. These challenges clearly exist, both at the southwest border and in cities such as New York and Chicago, where busloads of asylum seekers are ending up (by choice or otherwise). Absent more resources to manage these inflows and expedite processing either to authorize migrants to work in the United States or to return them to their home countries, this strain will continue.

    But there are ways to harness the energies and talents of the “tempest-tost” and patch our tattered immigration system. Some of those tools were built into the bipartisan Senate border bill, which now appears dead.

    Instead, GOP lawmakers scaremonger about the foreign-born, characterizing immigration as an invasion. As Rep. Mike Collins (R-Ga.) dog-whistled last week, “Import the 3rd world. Become the 3rd world.”

    Alas, the faction working to turn the United States into a developing country is not immigrants but Collins’s own party. It’s Republicans, after all, who have supported the degradation of the rule of law; the return of a would-be dictator; the gutting of public education and health-care systems; the rollback of clean-water standards and other environmental rules; and the relaxation of child labor laws (in lieu of letting immigrants fill open jobs, of course).

    America has historically drawn hard-working immigrants from around the world precisely because its people and economy have more often been shielded from such “Third World”-like instability, which Republican politicians now invite in.

    Ronald Reagan, the erstwhile leader of the conservative movement, often spoke poignantly of this phenomenon. In one of his last speeches as president, he described the riches that draw immigrants to our shores and how immigrants in turn redouble those riches:

    Thanks to each wave of new arrivals to this land of opportunity, we’re a nation forever young, forever bursting with energy and new ideas, and always on the cutting edge, always leading the world to the next frontier. This quality is vital to our future as a nation. If we ever closed the door to new Americans, our leadership in the world would soon be lost.
    https://www.reaganlibrary.gov/archi...ntation-ceremony-presidential-medal-freedom-5

    Reagan’s words reflected the poetry of immigration. Since then, the prose — as we’ve seen in the economic numbers, among other metrics — has been pretty compelling, too.
     
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    @Os Trigonum
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    how did the gangs get to New York breh?
    Oh they crossed the border !

    But what they pronouns breh! They against oil? They won’t harm us cause we like Palestine !
    Oh no! Don’t rob me! I’m woke ! Latinx LatinX!
     
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    Racists don't care.
     
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    @Salvy
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    It’s great to see diversity


    In gangs

    I’m mean aren’t we sick of the bloods and crips and Vatos locos? Let’s get more diverse gangs!


     
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