I said Kerry beat Bush in debate 1 and I am a strong Bush supporter, so I thought I hwas a decent judge of these things. I agree I thought Cheney had a slight edge but figured Edwards would get some votes due to his youth and enthusiasm making it nearly a draw. I am shocked to see 75-80% saying Edwards won. I will say I think both had more information than Bush or Kerry.
Except it was another lie! I guess Cheney forgot that half an hour they both spent on Meet the Press last year! I'm really surprised at the polls. I really thought it was a draw if not a slight win for Cheney. Edwards had many opportunities to go for the kill and didn't.
And another thing! Is there any doubt now who is the brains behind this administration? Cheney came off more presidential than the president.
While that may be true, I'm more inclined to think that they are more interested in playing it safe so as not to create The Soundbite from Hell. I agree that Kerry outshone Bush, but I thought that Cheney thumped Edwards. Cheney has image problems.
It would be even better for the Kerry/Bush debates, but the Bush team would never allow it given his propensity for stretching, bending, and misstatementizing the truth.
Duh. In case you couldn't figure it out, I was poking fun at Bush's seeming inability to use only words which appear in the dictionary.
There are now numerous sources debunking the Cheney line that he only just met Edwards that night. It was a good line for Cheney. But I guess if someone is going to use a good line like that in a debate they should make sure it's true first. The fact that Cheney was wrong about having met Edwards seems to be overshadowing Cheney's good points from the debate, at least in the media coverage I've seen. Maybe it's a case of live by the lie, die by the lie.
If that is the case, then Bush and Cheney are in BIG trouble come November. I certainly hope that voting Americans see through the lies.
DUDE, THEY ALLLLLLL LIE!!!! it's amazing to me that day after day, hour after hour, there are posts in this thread about, "your guys did this...your guys did that." dude, if it's been done, it's been done by both sides. neither party has an exclusive monopoly on lying for self-interest...for greed...for power hungry jackholes. the righteous indignation shouldn't be from one party to the other...but rather from the american people for the whole lot of them.
The distortion in this campaign has been almost exclusively from one side. I posted a list of distortions, lies, mistakes the Bush/Cheney campaign has made and advertised about Kerry. I asked then for anyone who knew of distortions the Kerry camp made and adertized about the Bush camp to list them, so that we could all feel the outrage, and sift through the lies to get the truth behind each candidate. The only post had to do with Michael Moore who isn't part of the Kerry team. I welcome any mistatemenst made by Kerry/Edwards about Bush's record to be brought out also. It hasn't been done. I'm not even outraged by that particular lie by Cheney. I'm just surprised that it detracted from a fairly strong performance by the VP. I'm not a Democrat, so I'm not trying to say that Democrats never lie. They most certainly do. Kerry and Edwards surely lie as well. But as far as the campaign itself goes, almost all the lies have come from one side.
you're right..."your guys" never lie. your post proves up half of my assertion. blind partisanship is silly. whether you close all your posts with CASE CLOSED or not.
Max, I've asked before and I'll ask again, for you or anyone, to please show the lies of Kerry/Edwards campaign. I would like to expose the truth about both candidates. Neither side or saints, but to pretend like both sides are equal in the lies and distortions they tell just doesn't seem to be true. I'm open to any exposed lies from the Kerry/Edwards camp, and I've been asking for them before. Even if we find 1 or 2 the lying in this particular campaign leans very heavily in the Bush/Cheney camp. Trying to paint this as if both sides are doing it equally doesn't paint an accurate picture.
mcmark and FB...i'm not talking about this campaign...or last night. hell, i don't know for sure what lies have been said. i'm certain someone who is a big republican would tick off the lies of the dems. it's just a common theme in politics to play the "you guys do this...you guys do that" back and forth. we saw that last night. over and over again. frankly, it's disgusting. the actions that you wail about from the "other guys" at any given time are the same you'll be defending in 6 months when it's done by "your guys." this is where we are now. government by team sports. integrity matters very little, because we've decided, "well...everyone does it," whether that means lying, adultery, cheating, stealing or whatever. creates an atmosphere where we blame others for the problems we have, ourselves...and where no one is ever ultimately held accountable, because ultimately holding someone accountable is bad for both sides.
What about the dollars spent on Iraq? Cheney cleary said you're wrong and that his figure was what was spent plus what was appropriated (I beleive) for next year.
