I would prefer the dissertation on what "personal or professional setback" you think caused him to (gasp) disagree with you politically.
I don't know anything (or care much) about the specific individuals involved, but I don't think your restatement of the part you quoted matches what was being said. One person says, I've seen this behavior before, and it is often caused by a setback. You read that to say that a traumatic or tragic reason must be behind all people who end up in the same position. First, not all people who have a different ideology than glynch are brought up in a right wing household, then go through a more liberal phase, then revert back to more staunchly conservative stances. Second, he only stated that it might be an explanation, not that it has to be the explanation. Finally, it seems he's speaking specifically about basso's behavior, not the behavior of conservatives in general. So, unless you want to argue that the scenario cannot possibly true, what's wrong with someone offering it as a possibility? And why take such offense to it? Is it a bad thing to have your political philosophies shaped by personal experiences? I don't think so, so it's not like that was an insult.
The problem is that this is glynch's typical spiel. If somebody is a conservative, there must be something wrong with them. At one point it was that they are rich and trying to protect their own. If they aren't rich, then they are brainwashed. Another time they just had bad motives toward certain groups (like the poor). This time it is that they were on the right track (ie liberal) and then something bad happened. Next time, it will be something else. With glynch, there is no having a different view without him trying to explain the "defect" in your thinking. You have to see his entire body of work to know what I mean. It is sad, because he tends to bring up interesting topics. Then he ruins it by being such an ass regarding different viewpoints. He claims to be such a liberal, but he is oddly intolerant of opposing viewpoints. Interesting dichotomy.
That's fair. As somebody following the conversation without as much of the background I just didn't follow your previous logic. But what you say above sounds valid.
I'm glad self-awareness is setting in. When you decide you want to change your life for the better, your Clutchfans friends are here. I know of some good reprogrammers who will work cheap, but you have to take that first step and let us help you.
Refman, reading comprehension, again. I said "often". It is not always the case. For instance you may have never waivered in your conservative ideology which you seem to view as common sense or moderate.
Again...you cannot seem to discuss differences in political opinion without being snyde. So now I am just confused as to my own opinion? Are you for real? You should really get a grasp on your intolerance of other viewpoints.
You actually have a point, Refman. I should be more tolerant on the bbs if I am trying to convince conservatives. I am intolerant on the bbs of the wealthy who are protecting their position. You and I are not in that class, though I am comfortably I guess upper middle class. Always $100k plus and self employed. In real life I am almost always polite or effectively avoid many conservatives as virtually all my friends are liberals or left wing. My little digs about the defects of conservatives are largely razzing. but I do believe the facts are not on their side, so I do seek reasons for their beliefs. I think objectively it can ber proved that working class voters vote against their own economic interests due to their adherence to bumper sticker or even biz school ideology. I do respect a working class person who realizes that they are doing so, but chooses to vote GOP because they are against abortion or gays based on their religion. I chalk my intolerance of many of the evils of American life partly due to my work which has brought me in contact daily with the rejects of American society, the criminals, the disabled, the undocumented and almost always the uninsured. I must also admit that my parents were very liberal Catholics who believed deeply in the Catholic social doctrine which opposes unregulated capitalism of the GOP, American variety. I admiit also that it bugs me that you can be so seeminly content with American society while dealing with bankrupts.
My parents are conservative Catholics. My mother was raised by a middle class Longshoreman and my father raised by the daughter of tenant farmers and a man who had very limited skills. My grandfather was 49 when my father was born in 1938. He grew up poor and worked at the bank full time to put himself through college after his service in the USAF. As for me and my experience in bankruptcy practice...it is complex. I lost money at that practice. I had the perfect storm of changes at the time I started my practice. The law had changed 6 months prior and the SDTX enacted local rule changes right after I started my practice. The end result? A lot fewer cases were filed in the SDTX. Not a good time to have started a practice. I wound up in phenomenal debt trying to keep the practice artificially alive. So I went to represent creditors. Fortunately, I work at a firm that has convinced our clients to enter into agreements to allow the Debtor another chance when they have messed up in their case and fallen behind again. It never ceases to surprise Debtor's attorneys. Anyway, I was broke, fantastically in debt, and had no health insurance for 2 and a half years. I realize that some things need to change...badly. I simply do not believe that more government is the be all and end all of that process. I do believe that we need to more heavily regulate key markets. I do believe that the co-ops for health insurance are a great idea. You, I am sure, disagree with me on most, if not all of these things. That's ok too. Civil political disagreement is the linchpin of our society and one of the reasons we revolted against the British.
Refman, Given your uninsured status. why do you support the GOP so ardently when they are essentially against health insurance for all and generally against regulating key markets? It sounds but for the grace of God that allowed you to not have a health problem during those two years you would have had to file for bankruptcy. Such a predicament did not have to happen and would not have happened to you in Western Europe and the rest of the advanced world. Why support a system that does needlessly this to innocent people? I think you were letting your conservative ideology that government is usually bad and ineffective go against your economic interest. It is not just you , however, but the tens of millions of others with their stories who are suffering.
"Another reason circumcision would have less of an impact in the United States is that some 79 percent of adult American men are already circumcised, public health officials say." That's interesting, I never knew that. Maybe we'll have to do that poll here one day.
Of course it goes against my economic interest. Why did I believe something that went against my interests? Simple. My belief system does not change due to the result of decisions I made. I am not the responsibility of others. I am my own responsibility. I do believe that something should be done. I believe that the co-ops that are being discussed could (if done correctly) set a minimum floor of what coverage should be. I believe that small business owners should have the ability to obtain Medicare coverage for the start up period of their business. I believe the current system is broken, but am not sure the government taking it over is a good idea either. There are many points in between (like the co-ops) that could work well. We probably disagree on this as well. Again, that's ok. I understand where you are coming from. We both believe that change is necessary. We just disagree on what that change should look like.
It sounds like you are making a conscious choice to avoid knowing conservatives on a personal or friendly basis. You might find that you will understand their beliefs and even, gasp, find them to be just as human as you. Consider that Ted Kennedy's best friend in the Senate was Orrin Hatch. Someone who held political beliefs very differently from him yet that still didn't stop them from being very good friends.
Not really. I do have close contact with a fair number of conservatives. I have family members-- my wife and I both come from large Catholic families-- and people I work with who are conservatives. A couple family members actually voted for McCain, though Obama snared quite a few of the votes of those who usually vote GOP. My accountant listens to Rush Limbaugh daily. I persoanally like some of the conservative judges and lawyers I deal with. I may have overstated it a bit, but my circle of friends is very liberal especially for Houston.
I suspect that you are making this up. My ex-wife's father is a neurologist. Him and his colleagues told me on more than one occasion that they lose money on every Medicare patient they had. They were contemplating not taking any more.
