Saddam might have murdered a bunch of his own people but you, sir, just murdered the French language. Hitler, Stalin, Saddam, basso...evil.
"We are learning more as we interrogate or have discussions with Iraqi scientists and people within the Iraqi structure, that perhaps he destroyed some, perhaps he dispersed some. And so we will find them." --George W. Bush, in an interview with NBC's Tom Brokaw, 4/24/03. T_J, as usual, you are full of crap. OWNED AGAIN
BULLSH!T DUDE!!! What you don't seem to realize, or choose to ignore, is that this administration LIED to get what it wanted and that's what liberals are angry about. I, and I'm sure I speak for others on this board when I state this, have never, EVER said a bad thing about anyone in the service. I have friends and family in the service. The fact that those close to me were sent to risk their lives over a half truth pisses me off. You continue to mimic this administration by spreading lies and half truths about liberals on this board and elsewhere. Not that you give a crap, but your outrageous lemming impersonation in regards to the right is leading you straight to the ignore list of a good number of posters.
CNN has a breaking news headline on their front page. It looks like some of the documents found on Saddam may be paying off? U.S. troops capture "high value target" and 73 others during massive raid today in Samarra, Iraq, coalition officials said. Details soon.
what can i say, i work for a french company and they're overdue in paying me...call it basso's revenge. how should it have read?
i'm persuaded in many respects by the simplicity of this argument. we know he had WMD's before...the international community asked him to account for them, particularly after he attacked a neighbor...his accounting was entirely insufficient, by everyone's account. i suppose we can argue over whether that is enough to be concerned with...but it doesn't take a whole lot of lying or anything else to convince me that disarming a madman is a good idea, if it all possible...or in the absence of a better way.
giddyup -- The liberals frustration is reaching a climax. The War on Terror is picking up significant momentum through successes such as Sunday. This is the liberals worst nightmare -- it really is. As the Republicans *own* the issue of natural security, it means that the liberals are further being relegated to obscurity. Oh they'll continue screaming, but fewer and fewer people will be listening. This frustrates them greatly. It hurts to be on the losing side of an issue. Just look at their desperation and defensiveness. Their anger tells me that they realize the 2004 election is slip slip slipping away!
this is idiotic semantics. it clearly gave any member state the right to act. if the US didn't act who would? the UN itself? just like it acted to enforce it previous 12 resolutions on Iraq since 1990? TJ's right- your position is absurd.
Well, here is the first article i've seen on it, and it's from MSNBC. BAGHDAD, Iraq - American soldiers arrested a rebel leader and 78 other people during a raid north of Baghdad, the U.S. military said Tuesday. It was not clear if the capture of Saddam Hussein led to the raid, but the action came as U.S. intelligence agencies turn their efforts toward rounding up regime remnants who might be playing a more direct role than the now-captured former president did in running the insurgency in Iraq. The raid, which began Monday, took place in the village of Abu Safa, near Samarra, 60 miles north of Baghdad. On Monday, insurgents in Samarra also ambushed U.S. forces Monday, and the U.S. military said its troops killed 11 attackers. At 4:30 a.m. Tuesday morning, troops from the U.S. Army’s 4th Infantry Division arrested Qais Hattam, described as the No. 5 fugitive on the division’s list of “high value targets,” said Capt. Gaven Gregory of the 4th Infantry’s 3rd Brigade. Hattam is not on the U.S. list of the 55 most wanted Iraqis. Thirteen fugitives from that list are still at large after the capture over the weekend Saddam. Soldiers also seized bomb making material, Gregory said. It was not immediately known if the raid was linked to intelligence gleaned from Saddam, who is under interrogation in U.S. military custody.
Dear Spooky, T_J is intended for entertainment purposes only. Do not use T_J for uses other than those intended or serious chafing could result. The bait is stale; let it go.
from MSNBC: "At 4:30 a.m. Tuesday morning, troops from the U.S. Army’s 4th Infantry Division arrested Qais Hattam, described as the No. 5 fugitive on the division’s list of “high value targets,” said Capt. Gaven Gregory of the 4th Infantry’s 3rd Brigade. Hattam is not on the U.S. list of the 55 most wanted Iraqis. Thirteen fugitives from that list are still at large after the capture over the weekend Saddam."
TJ, there are two arguments. The UN argument which would give the UN the jurisdiction and Bush's arguments that Saddam had the WMD, and was a threat, and that if Saddam disarmed we wouldn't go to war. If Saddam had nothing to disarm then that point for war would be meaningless.
but how do we know he didn't?? and that was the point of him making an accounting. an analogy is a breach of fiduciary duty case in the law. in most civil cases, when a person sues another, the person who initiated the lawsuit has the burden to prove the other's liability. but not so in a breach of fiduciary duty case...there the defendant is charged with "unproving" the case...with making an accounting. this is so because of the difficulty the plaintiff would have in proving up mismanagement or the fact the defendant is still holding on to the plaintiff's assets. it was clear that the same thinking went into the UN resolutions that called specifically for Iraq to make an accounting of WMD that were once inventoried...and they couldn't account for those things we knew they once had. so the only safe assumption is that they still have them...
Well, while we're rehashing the dregs of a thousand threads gone by, why do we forget that Blix et al. said they were making good progress, that they asked for more time, and they were essentially ordered to cease their activities so that we could attack? I mean, it's old news at any rate. Some of us apparently believe pre-emptive war is a good, justifiable idea that is propped up by a certain reading of UN resolutions. Some of us apparently believe pre-emptive war without UN backing was a bad idea and that the ends won't justify the means. I doubt the two factions will be persuaded to change their minds, so why don't we skip it and focus on what's happening. These new arrests are more good news, given the present realities. Go team. (not a sardonic comment... I mean it).
Yeah, the French can be like that...mean. Comment dit-on "insupportable" en francais? Since you asked.
