I just want to say something about all the negative talk about Yao Ming. I think it's all a bunch of crap. I think New York sports writers started all these rumors so they could end up with the man. And you know those people love to make stuff up. (Piazza) Even Chicago is starting to talk negatively about Yao. But you know damn well if they had the first pick, they would look into it. I personally think he'll be good because when you can shoot at that height your unique. He is no Shawn Bradley and I think he'll be better than Rik Smits. He's only 21 and he's going to gain some weight while all ready weighing in at 296. This guy will be good. And with Ming and Griffin down low, it would be tough for other teams to score inside. Draft the noodle!
yes, if he can make it here for preseason and stay the whole regular season/playoffs. the only thing i dont like are the rumors about him not being able to be here for summerleague/preseason/start of season, or he may be called back in the middle of the season. if all of those are false i am confident in his skills, bring him on board.
I know that you didn't mean anything by this...but isn't your title a little offensive to an individual like Ming or any of his fellow countrymen?? I may be way off-base with this & if I am, I apologize, but I could have sworn that the word after "tall" is not a flattering one.
No, Manny you're right. I think, Chip, that it would've been better if you had put "chinaman" in quotation marks like so. But it's a moot point now.
This is all semantics (as far as I'm concerned), but what is wrong with chinaman? I could understand if it were used in a negative fassion (which it is not), but what's the difference between saying chinaman and englishman? I've never heard of anyone complaing about being called an Englishman (which I've heard a lot), so why should a Chinaman be any different? I think that the only time people take offense to Chinaman is if they are of oriental or East Asian decent but aren't actually Chinese. Yao IS Chinese and he IS a man. Why can you not pu the 2 together? The politically correct cr@p that has been fed through leftest propoganda really has gone too far. Pretty soon I won't be able to say David Letterman. I'll have to say David Letterperson!!!! (and yes, that is from George Carlin)
The term "chinaman" is a historically derogatory term that goes back to the 19th century when large numbers of Chinese immigrated to the U.S. and were relegated to low economic positions (building the railroads, etc.) I think the problem is not so much the term itself, but its reflection of the climate in which it was most commonly used. Chinese experienced intense discrimination at that time (obviously weren't the only ones, but that's beside the point) and "chinaman" is a reflection of the little respect with which other Americans regarded them. Think of it as comparable to the term "Okie," a derogatory expression toward jobless Dust bowl farmers used during the Great Depression, exemplified vividly in Steinbeck's The Grapes of Wrath.
"Chinaman" has been a derogatory term for a while. Welcome to the 21st century. By your example, is there a country called "English"? No. Again by your example, if "Englishman" is fine, you should be saying "Chinese man". http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=chinaman Somewhere along the way I think people began confusing "political correctness" with "common decency". This has nothing to do with "leftest" or "rightest"... hehe. How 'bout we just end the discussion of this right now and just move onto basketball. No sense in trashing this forum with a boneheaded discussion on the word "chinaman" with half the world watching. Let's talk basketball.
The term "Chinaman" has historically been used in many parts of North America in a derogatory way, kind of like the N word. If Chinese people find it offensive, don't you think you should respect that and not use it? http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=chinaman
OK, so chinaman offers 2 valid definitions of simply being a man who is chinese and 1 definition of being derogatory so it is automatically a negative term in all contexts? Just like any other word that has multiple definitions the context in which it is used MUST be considered. Was there anything in the title of this thread that suggests that saying Chinaman was meant to degrade Yao Ming? Absolutely none. You guys look way too far into this. I know its currently the American way to automatically deam a word as being used in the worst possible context, but maybe, just maybe we should actually think for 2 miliseconds and examine how the word is being used.
People constantly start rumors...these people are called HATERS. Even if Yao Ming is a bust, he will be a GREAT BUST. 7 '5" Chinamen are hard to come by. He is mobile and has a shooting touch. Also, in a business sense, it woulkd be great to our city and our economy. I read in another post, that by getting Ming, Rashard Lewis might want to come here, but what I want to know is if we can afford him? Doesn't he want a Maxed out Contract? So I say, Draft Chopsticks aka Yao Ming and just see what happens. Evol P.S. - Don't you just love Eddie Griffin??
"also, Dude, Chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature.... Asian American, please." -Walter Sobchak, The BIg Lebowski
You know what, I really don't care. I'm going to say what I want. You should look at the point i'm trying to make instead a stupid word in my post unless I meant something by saying it. But the emphasis of the post isn't on that word (Chinaman). It's on his skills. So quit trying to be smart and read and react to the purpose. Thank you
I think the biggest thing is that you used a questionable word in your post title. Not only is it offensive to some people, it's not grammatically correct either. The main problem here is, in one of the highest traffic times for this bbs ever, titles like this make us all look bad. In addition, new people see this and think that using derogatory racial terms is acceptable, when it clearly is not.
To get back to the topic, I agree with you that Yao would be great for our team. If we draft Yao the Sharks and the CBA will try to get as profitable a deal as they can get from us. This deal could however be good for both parts i think. I like your thread Chip because it brings up whats important to me as a fan of basketball and the rockets, the skills. What would Yao bring to our team? I think he's the best fit for our team in the draft and that he will bring succes back to Houston. Ofcourse I can't know for shure and I admit he might be a bust. However I'm excited to see how he'll preform in the NBA even if he never becomes a rocket. I don't if your choice of words in the titel is unfortunet since english is only second language to me, but it never hurts to be carefull.
I think Chinese Man is the proper term, but this makes me sick all this politically correct nonsense, I mean Asian American stipulates a difference between an Asian born in American as not American but Asian American, what do we call white people?? European Americans, White Americans, no.... hehehehe if everyone could get off everyones back enjoy the game of basketball and realizing that accepting cultural differences is bettern the assimilating them, then I'm sure we could all relax better at night... BTW, the rumors about Yao are crazy, I havent seen this kinda of media propaganda since I turned on the news
It is obvious you didn't care. People just pointed out that your choice of words was not the best Acknowledge. . . move on. . . we all make mistakes Live with them and learn from them I think that is all people are saying You maybe able to get around someone saying THAT J*CK*SS S*RRY B*ST*RD CHIP is a kewl guy but some people cannot think outside the boxy Rocket River " Boxy - moron"
On topic: IMO, Yao will be better than Smits. Playing in the EC, NY & CHi know this very well. Off topic: I'd be curious as to what posters windandsea & Shark Rocket have to say about the "C" word.
