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Rule 1001

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  1. giddyup

    giddyup Member

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    NOTHING on Snopes.com..........

    What to do (and what not to do) if you are ever questioned
    by government agents.

    "Boy, I feel safer now that (Martha Stewart is) behind
    bars. O. J. & Kobe are walking around; Osama Bin Laden
    and some of those Enron thieves too, but they take the
    one woman in America willing to cook and clean and work
    in the yard and haul her ass to jail." -- Tim Allen


    The following advice applies mainly to our USA readers.
    But it can be applied to situations in other countries -
    especially the UK and Australia. This is a very important
    article. You never know when a nasty situation could entrap
    you!

    Basic rule: Never, under any circumstances, answer
    questions put to you by any government agent - unless you
    have a competent lawyer at your side. And it would be
    better if you could be sure it was a very good criminal
    lawyer. The exception is at border crossings where you have
    to answer all questions truthfully (or at least with
    plausible responses) if you expect them to let you in.

    In the USA there is a section in the federal code, referred
    to as '1001' by legal eagles. This law makes it a crime to
    lie to a federal agent. The agent doesn't have to put you
    under oath or even have to tape the conversation.All he or
    she has to do is produce handwritten notes that indicate
    that you made false statements. If you tell him or her a
    lie, you are guilty. If he says you lied, you are guilty
    if a judge or jury finds the "G-Man's" version of your
    conversation more believable than yours.

    Maybe you misspeak or the agent mishears. Or maybe there
    is an ambiguity that the agent chooses to interpret in an
    unfortunate (for you) direction. You are on the hook and
    can spend some time in the clink - for basically nothing!

    'Lying to a federal agent' does not have to mean telling
    lies in an important criminal cases or when you are under
    arrest. IRS officers are federal agents too. There's always
    the possibility that you might be tempted to shade the
    truth a bit when an IRS agent is quizzing you about that
    tax deduction you took for a trip to Vegas. Our advice to
    you is:

    Keep Your Mouth Shut!

    Lets repeat that in other words. To be on the safe side,
    when confronted by a federal agent, don't say anything at
    all. Well, not exactly. You need to ask them to sign a
    letter so that they can't later lie about what happened.
    Keep reading.

    It's a shame things have come to this. It used to be that
    people felt it their duty as citizens to cooperate with
    authorities. That was before the 'War on Terror' and Law
    1001. We now live in an era of government terror where
    civil rights are almost non-existent. You have to know
    enough to protect yourself at all times.

    WHAT HAPPENED TO MARTHA STEWART

    Take, for example, the highly publicized case of lifestyle
    guru Martha Stewart. Stewart was sentenced to jail in 2004.
    Her case reflects what has happened to thousands of other
    less high-profile cases - normal, respectable, honest
    businesspeople. Maybe friends of yours were already caught
    in the net. So what did Stewart do wrong?

    She was caught out by rule 1001. She was convicted of lying
    about the reason she sold her shares in a biotechnology
    company.

    She said she sold the shares because they had fallen to the
    price where she had told her broker to sell. She claimed
    that she recalled having placed a 'stop loss' order with
    her broker. The government argued (and the jury accepted)
    that she sold only because her broker passed on some inside
    information that the stock was going to plunge in the next
    couple of days. She lied, said the Federal Agent.

    True, her stock trade, one of many she had made, had a
    smell of illegal 'insider trading' about it. But, the
    prosecutors did not charge her with insider trading! They
    only charged her with lying about it, under '1001'. Stewart
    was convicted of lying about a crime. But the government
    did not have to prove that any actual crime ever happened.
    Merely stating her recollection of a single small (for her)
    transaction was enough to get her a jail sentence.

    Stewart saved all of $45,000 on the stock transaction when
    the stock went down. Later the same stock went way above
    her selling price! But her prosecution has caused her
    business to go to blazes and stockholdings in her own
    company decrease by hundreds of millions. Why? Because
    of the accusations and the criminal trial.

    What happened to Martha, who was certainly no villainous
    insider trader, does not seem fair to us. Whether insider
    trading is really a crime is another question. Our personal
    experience is that when given so called insider tips, the
    stock involved usually went the opposite direction the
    tipster indicated it would go!

    Martha's 'crime' was a step removed. Her spontaneous
    response to one of an agent's many questions, her best
    memory, was deemed to be a criminal offense in and of
    itself. Her co-operation and willingness to talk was
    transmuted into a crime. Is that justice? But then, what
    is fair about 'justice' these days? It has been said that
    Justice to the Department of Justice, is as military bands
    are to music.

    The Martha Stewart case and many others are purely for show
    - a politically motivated crackdown on successful people.
    The prosecution had its roots in the jealousy and ambition
    of a government bureau-rat. This is exactly as predicted by
    Ayn Rand and the anonymous author of A Lodging of Wayfaring
    Men: The government has so many potential crimes on the
    books that a criminal case can be made against any
    individual who is investigated. The fear of prosecution is
    what gives government its power.

    AVOID ARROGANCE

    What other mistakes did Stewart make that we could learn
    from? She irritated prosecutors with her arrogant attitude.
    "I'm innocent and you don't have anything on me!" It's a
    natural reaction, a common error that people (especially
    successful people) often make when confronting for the
    first time a low-level, bureaucrat who asks accusatory
    questions. But it's always a bad idea to make Big Brother's
    Minions mad by truthfully claiming you are not a criminal.

    What should you do? How should you handle a situation where
    you are questioned and don't know exactly what the
    government guy is after? Here it comes a third time: You
    shut up. Then the odds are that there will be no evidence
    to make a case against you. If you do get indicted, try
    first to negotiate. Remember, the Feds won't bring a case
    unless they are pretty sure they will win.

    Instead of warning Stewart against protesting her innocence
    too loudly and fighting the case in the media, her
    high-priced attorney, Robert Morvillo, only exacerbated her
    problems. His chief argument was that Stewart and her
    broker were "too smart to pull a dumb stunt like
    intentionally lying." But as one juror said later, "How
    could we tell anything about how smart either of them was
    if they never took the stand?" Martha was sent to jail. For
    nothing. How could it have been avoided?

    THE LETTER YOU SHOULD ALWAYS CARRY IN YOUR POCKET

    Besides keeping your mouth shut, it's a good idea to have
    evidence that you have indeed kept your mouth shut. We
    suggest typing out the following letter and carrying two
    copies of it with you on your person at all times:

    You hand it to any Law Enforcement Agent who says, "Can I
    come in and ask you a few questions?"

    This is the letter:

    Dear Sir:

    Due to rule 1001,

    I don't feel I can answer any oral questions at all unless
    I clear all your questions with a lawyer first. Please
    submit all your questions in writing, and I will get back
    to you. Please give me your calling card, let me photocopy
    your official identification credentials and sign this letter
    below. I will give you a copy as a receipt and as evidence
    that I gave you no information whatsoever in this or any other
    interview.

    Signature of government agent:___________________
    Date & Time: _________________________________
    Name and official position:_______________________
    Office Address_________________________________
    ID number:____________________________________
    Telephone / Fax number:_________________________
    E-Mail address:_________________________________

    If the agent won't sign, you should fill in the above
    blanks. Where the agent should have signed, print on the
    letter the agent's name, followed by "refused to sign."
    Plus your name. Then contact your lawyer right away.
     
  2. MadMax

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    whether federal agent or not...always demand a lawyer if you're put under arrest or held for questioning.
     
  3. Deckard

    Deckard Blade Runner
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    And don't say a damned thing, except to ask for your attorney.



    Keep D&D Civil!!
     
  4. ima_drummer2k

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    And remember, you have the right to waive the anal probe.

    Not many people know this.
     
  5. MartianMan

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    What are your rights if an officer wants to strip search you?
     
  6. GladiatoRowdy

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    You do not have to consent to any search unless you are put under arrest, at which point a strip search becomes part of the process.
     
  7. giddyup

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    Who would want to wave that filthy thing?! :D
     

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