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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by SLA, Dec 25, 2002.

  1. SLA

    SLA Member

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    Greetings.
    The New Jersey Nets just crushed the Boston Celtics by at least 30 points. The previous game, the Celtics defeated the New Jersey Nets.
    What would you rather have? An offense like the New Jersey Nets where everybody is moving around and passing the ball or our offense of passing to Yao and just seeing what he can do? I like the Nets' offense. Even their garbage time players know the offense and can score. The Nets are also great at getting fast break points. With all of our fast players, we should be moving the ball faster. Of course, the Rockets' couldn't fully use this style of basketball because we want to slow it down and start through Yao. But we need more plays and we need more people moving around instead of standing and waiting for Yao. There have been some great plays with nice passes from Yao to guards cutting in. Even the Utah Jazz offense looks OK. They are very sly and tricky but it works. I want to see the Rockets move!!!
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    regarding the NJN...we traded Richard Jefferson, Jason Collins, and some other guy for #7 pick Eddie Griffin? Can anyone explain the details to me? Richard Jefferson is becoming a star.
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    also about the NJN...wouldn't it be great to have Kenyon Martin? He is an excellent defender.
     
  2. Yetti

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    Not a Star! Just a good Role Player, making open shots at his favourite places to spot up! Against the Rox was only just OK!
     
  3. SLA

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    Well then...
    How about the Lakers' Triangle Offense?
    Does any other team in the NBA use that type of offense?
    By the way, the Lakers just got upset by the Kings. Jebus! That is so sad. I hope the Lakers make it to the playoffs.

    About Richard Jefferson, scoring 14ppg is not bad for a 2nd year guy. He and Jason Collins are more efficient together than Eddie Griffin. But what if Eddie became a star on the Nets? We wouldn't care about him. Our forwards need to step up.


    Who is the best free agent that we can acquire?
     
  4. neXXes

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    Dude, you're freaking worthless. Have you noticed that you average over 29 posts a day? You know, no one will think less of you if you stop posting three times in every thread.
     
  5. Like A Breath

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    The Bulls still use the Triangle sometimes.
     
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    Why not rockets:D
     
  7. Like A Breath

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    The Lakers did NOT get upset by the Kings. Look at the records. The Kings deserve some respect for playing great team ball.

    The problem with the triangle offense is that it is extremely difficult to implement on a young team. The Bulls are a great example of that. It takes a few years to learn the nuances of the offense, Phil Jackson said so himself. With a team like the Rockets on the rise adding the triangle would just stall the process.
     
  8. OverRRated

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    I love Jersey's offense, but they have Kidd.
    nuff said.
     
  9. MadMirror

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    Whenever you have a dominant inside scoring threat, ball movement is more important than player movement, as the opponent's defenders will move to double team. Passes will always be quicker than player movement. The key are big men who can pass to hit the open man. Rudy's offenses have always revolved around this principle. You either get an open shot, or a mismatch so you can attack the basket.

    The offense has worked pretty damn well this year - we run into problems once we stop moving the ball around. The number of times this happens will probably go down as the year goes on and the guards shake their old habits from last year's atrocious season (perhaps after some time in Rudy's doghouse).

    About Richard Jefferson, there are several reasons why the Rockets took Griffin:

    1. Griffin is 6'11" or so. Jefferson is 6'7". You can't teach height, and the last thing we need is another 'tweener.

    2. Griffin is 21 years old. Jefferson is 23. You can't teach youth. But Griffin is going to learn more with 2 extra years in the NBA than he would have at college.

    3. Griffin is a better perimeter player.

    4. Passing and rebounding are a toss-up between them. Neither will blow you away. But when Griffin adds more muscle, he will be able to box out to improve his rebounding.

    5. Defense, well, I haven't seen enough of Jefferson to make a comparison there.

    Eddie was, and still is a project. He's basically a 3rd-year high-school kid - take a look at the other high-schoolers in the league and see their progress. It usually takes a while.
     
  10. cas

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    If EG have Jason Kidd around (and plays 35 mpg like Jefferson), he'll probably score 14 ppg also.
     
  11. MadMirror

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    Whoops - subtract a year from Griffin's and Jefferson's age. I just really want it to be 2003 for some reason...
     
  12. topfive

    topfive CF OG

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    SLA, how about a more descriptive name for the next thread you decide to start? You know, ALL of the threads here are about the Rockets. I'm just sayin'...
     
  13. Wakko67

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    The trade was a smart one.

    1. The nets needed bodies who could contribute not necessarily a star.

    2. The Rockets needed a rebounder and shot blocker.

    3. Griffin was projected by many to be the top pick and The Rockets couldn't refuse.

    4. The nets already have a good pf in Kenyon Martin and even though we had Mo the organization felt Eddie complemented Mo's game.

    5. In time Griffin should be better than the 3 of those players combined. Should.

    Also it's already been mentioned that Griff would probably be putting up similar numbers if given the opportunity and he plays in a less offensively productive system.

    BTW Griff in his early career has been known to hit big shots and make big plays down the stretch while old boy jefferson has trouble hitting free throws to ice games. I know that this isn't the Clutch City of old, but a choker wouldn't really fit here. Unless of course he played baseball. :p
     
  14. SLA

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    Yeah. I was thinking of putting the Rockets' Style of Basketball, but then my thread would be locked up. Oh well.
    We really need to move the ball more and get more fast break opportunities.
     
  15. SLA

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    neXXes...only 28 posts per day.
    I will stop posting when I have to return to school.
    I am sorry for typing too fast.
    Is there a rule that says do not post 3 times in a thread?
    How can you tell my worth?
    There has to be somebody everyone can make fun of.
     
  16. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    POST ON BROTHER
     
  17. Sane

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    The only escape for the Lakers and Bulls is a deal between the 2 of them. Bulls need a big PF with experience and a SF, while the Lakers just need help. Both teams play the triangle, so it wouldn't take too long to work the player in.

    Something like Fizer and Hoiberg for Devean George and Samaki Walker would work nicely both ways.

    As for the Rockets, the offense they're using is great. they could stand to use some of the Sacramento, back-door type offense.
     
  18. Tonaaayyyy

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    Speaking of Eddie Griffin.. I think the Jazz game that he played was GREAT! He seemed to change modes on his game and seems to become more aggresive as well for the Miami game. You could tell by the dunks that he has made and seems to be trying to erupt more as a beast now, and trying to make his name stand out in the Rockets.

    Well back to the topic, i think the Nets' type of offensive plays and scheme for the Rockets would be nice, but we can't rely on it too much. We can play one on one on some plays and use swing the ball over to the next. We just need time and time will tell if we are using it right. :) Well we did use the types of isolation plays that helped us moved close to the playoffs 2 years ago so maybe something was working there. We could use parts of the isolations for certain teams who couldn't defend the inside game and use the 5 man motion for teams with weak front courts, which would set- up Ming and double teams, leaving players such as Francis cutting to the basket or Rice/Cat/Griffin/ on the outside.

    Well uhh im kinda getting carried away so my point is.. that uhhh
    we shouldn't rely on only 1 type of offense but several since are bench is pretty deep and all we need is time to figure out which players are best for their game. :)
     
  19. studogg

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    I would rather rely on one dominant focus as opposed to an overall team movement. Typically in the playoffs, the dominance of a halfcourt set shows through and the priceton offense that the Nets run is destroyed by a good defense that holds them to the halfcourt.

    that said, the nets can get away with that style of offense in the east and arguably even in the west for the first half of the season. Near the end of the year though, everything changes as teams round into playoff form.

    next, the triangle offense is a scheme set up for teams without a dominant point guard that helps get motion going. The bulls are struggling as to whether they should dump now that they have williams. It is also a fairly complicated system that I believe only tex winters could trully teach. Since we have francis and don't have Tex, I don't see a valid reason to go to this form of offense.



    blah blah blah

    I would rather have the dominant player with good shooters and a couple of slashers around him than kid's nets offense. Also, I shink Jefferson looks so good because of Kidd. Put him on another team and it is quitten all over( save the horrible attitude. from what I have seen of Richard, he is a stand up guy)
     
  20. studogg

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    I meant princeton offense
     

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