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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ParaSolid, Sep 15, 2008.

  1. ParaSolid

    ParaSolid Member

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    I just wanted to get some opinions from you guys. What do you think will be the go-to play most of the time when it comes to the offense? And what do you think will be most effective?

    T-Mac in the mid-post, provided that it's run like in Game 6 against Utah, looks to me like one of the more potent plays. Since T-Mac has so many options at his disposal (rise up J, first step then dunk/lay-up/foul, drive and dish, pass to Yao, pass to Artest..etc), opponents will have a nightmarish time trying to cover that play.

    Yao in the post is always good, but until he gets back to Kaman punking, Quinton Ross stare-down dominance, I don't think that it will THE best play. He still has trouble with gimmick defenses, although under Adelman, the Rockets were able to counter them more effectively.

    An Artest isolation? I don't really know how Adelman utilized Crazy Pills in Sacramento, but I've been hearing that they got along and it worked out pretty well. Obviously, the pecking order is very different here and Artest won't get the touches he got in Sacramento, but hopefully they get through that and develop some chemistry FAST. I'm thinking he gets a few post-ups here and there, but what I would really like is if he gets the ball on the move. He's a pretty good shooter so kick-outs would work well, too, but if he gets it on the move and then drives while the defense is still shifting, we'll be really good. They obviously can't focus on him too much with two scoring machines on the court with him, so I'm thinking that he'll find scoring to be much easier here than in Sacramento (or even Indiana).

    Any thoughts on go-to plays the Rockets would run? Or thoughts on Artest and how he's going to play here?
     
  2. ronnymac

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    It will be into yao when the going gets tough. once we start missing and our offense dries up, you throw it into yao and let him score or draw alot of fouls. once you get them into foul trouble, they'll have to play lot softer defense. it will disrupt there defensive schem or game plan. i think tracy whilst being the best player, it's smarter to go to yao when the offense dries up.
     
  3. Albert Einstain

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    T-Mac is " conTemporary MAgiC "

    We have the best center and the best wing and the best breaking-in attacker,but we don't have a good point guard. To be honest, Rafer is above the average level of the PGs all around the league but it's far from enough to make our tam great. Just take a look at the other western teams who are competitive for the title and you'll find they all have one good point guard at least .
    Lakers: I didn't mean Fisher is a good PG even though he busted the spurs in 04's playoffs. The good point guard on the lakers team is Jordan Farmer who is not a little better than Fisher. Further, it's easy to know how good Farmer should be only if you have noticed his first name.Besides, I think lamar Odom is more of a point guard than a forward. Many times, it was Odom that dribbled the ball to the front court instead of Fisher or Kb.At least, Odom can do the PG job, but who else can do this job other than Rafer and Brooks and SF3? And francis missed most of last season's games while Brooks is too unmature to take the slake.Maybe Brent Barry is good at dribbling but he always passed the ball back to Manu after dribbling the ball to the frontcourt when he was on spurs. Then the PG problem is still troubling Morey and Ric. Further more, the best solution to the PG problem is positing Tmac on the PG position because Ron can play 2 in replacement for Tmac.
    Hornets: Paul Paul Paul
    Jazz: Deron Deron Deron
    Spurs: Parker Parker Parker n Vaungh :D
    Mavs: Kidd Kidd Kidd Jason n terry? :D
    Suns: Nash Nash Nash

    Eastern:
    Celtics: KG KG KG
    Cavs:Z Z Z n Ben Ben Ben
    Magic:Superman Superman Superman
    Pistons:Rasheed Rasheed Rasheed
    In summary, the western teams are mostly based on a great PG while the eastern teams based on posters.It's not possible for rockets to trade our rosters except the big three for a PG as good as those mentioned. Tmac is the only piece of coal that can give the rocket some heat at PG.

    Before the other loved members of our forum saying what I deserves, I just say it ahead " the post has no meaning in reallity, Albert is absolutely an idiot of our forum "
     
  4. northeastfan

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    Rocket's signature play? TJack shoots an off balance 19 foot flat fade away and clanks it in his classic 7 for 21 style.
     
  5. LBJ-Tmac

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    xD trade someone for kobe and then give him the ball and tell him to put it in the basket.. YEAH RIGHT
    seriously um yeah i agree tmac on the elbow midrange post up gives him so many options with his great vision. But this team is so talented that it does not require a specific go to move. The intention of RA's offense was so everyone got touches to have opportunity to score.... now with Ron Artest it should be easier to score.
    But if you mean if the the core princeton offense came unstuck they would most likely revert to dumping it down low to yao go giving a tmac screen with tough fade away :/
     
  6. Jeff Who

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    Well that is a good question. Now with Artest and Barry we have a lot more options offensivly. First of all I belive the Rockets will have a lot of open looks for 3 next season, caused by T-Mac's/Artest's penetration or double team on Yao.

    But as you mentioned. T-Mac at the high post is probably the best option and most dangerous play. Why? Because he can do everything, he can shoot, drive, pass, drive and than draw fouls or pass. Just everything.

    The other good move is to post up Artest. He is so strong and he can just post up on any player in this leauge. I just don't think there is a player who can stop him 1on1 on the block. So when that happens opponents will have to bring double teams which will creat open looks for shooters (Tracy, Brent, Rafer, Aaron, Shane)

    And of course having Yao on the low block is always a good play...
     
  7. wxnrox

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    hey,I dont understand the second paragraph about YAO,would you please give me some explanation guy?
    I think the next season there are still two scoring points which are YAO and T-mac.ARTEST is a super sixth man ,he might be a another Manu as his versatility .
    dont forget the assistant ability of ARTEST,I believe he can make some effective pass to YAO and T-MAC rather do some ball-keeper
     
  8. Marsarinian

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    God, I swear I saw this coming.
     
  9. dntrwl

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    seconded
     
  10. Marsarinian

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    Or Yao shooting a ridiculous fade away 18 footer with a hand over his face. Oh yeah. Remember that double overtime game against the Lakers season before last? First overtime, it was all about Yao and those unbelievable jumpers. He could make all of 'em. Oh yeah baby.

    And now we have Artest butchering down the alley... Oops, league, this team is too good for you.
     
  11. Alvin Choo

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    rafer alston tear drop, dorsey playing at the low post and Head penetrating.

    I think that will be 3 worst option in the rockets play book. :p

    Seriously, i do think letting scola playing the low post is a good option. Seeing the way he punk everyone during the olympics, i think he can do a pretty good job here. Especially when the bigger/better low post defender will be on yao and other perimeter defenders will be sticking close to tmac/artest. He should be isolated at the post with a defender that is he could easily pick on without fearing the double team.

    With artest and scola able to give a viable low post threat, yao should shoot more, this will enable him more space to maneuver as he will not just be playing at the low post. If a player can shoot the FT at above 80%, i have no problem with him shooting 15 feet jumpers, as long as he continue to dominate at the low post.

    About artest, i guess he will be the primary option when yao is on the bench. He will play alot of minutes and most of his scoring will be done when yao/tmac is off the floor. When both yao and tmac is playing, he will be more of a third fiddle, as tmac will be controlling the ball, and yao is this primary scoring option.

    Tmac, i guess will be touching alot of the ball, where his assist numbers will rise along with his shooting percentage, but his scoring numbers will decrease. As he will be more efficient with his shooting, while passing the ball more. Heck he will only be the 3rd highest scorer, but he will still win most game for rockets.
     
  12. Jeff Who

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    You think McGrady will be our 3rs best scorer? Even behind Ron?
     
  13. abita

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    the go-to play ranking will be based on their FT percentage ;)
     
  14. t_mac1

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    we're going more to adelman's style of play as indicated by the playoff games, where our offense regained its efficiency. tmac/scola/artest at the high post will be our staple, particularly tmac. that play generates teh most movement but also provides a lot of option for whoever is at the high post.

    scola was tremendous in the high post late in the season and playoffs. it would surprise me if he's not used there a lot more.
     
  15. tinywang

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    lol this thread reminds of the time when JVG was the head coach and i swear, our ONLY play was to dump it to yao. if yao was doubled and what not, he'd throw it out and re position himself again where he could get the ball back and score in the post.

    funny cause i remember avery johnson calling us out on that and that's when i knew our secret play was screwed.
     
  16. Fullcourt

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    Pass to Yao in the post: first option.
     
  17. Ikorose

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    1. Yao down low
    2. T-Mac high post (players start cutting)
    3. T-Mac/Yao PnR (might often lead to a Scola/Artest layup)
    4. Yao high post (players start cutting)
    5. Artest post high or low depending on matchup/ISO outside if playing a PF
    6. Yao quick hitter
    7. Artest/Scola backdoor
    21. T-Mac pull-up heat check (I love these as long as it doesn't exceed 3)
    307. Rafer teardrop
    998. Dumpoff to Hayes/Mutombo
    999. Luther Head iso/create

    I don't think you have to run plays for Scola. He is always moving and as long as he does that the ball will find its way to him. It's good that he can get his own shot should he find himself with the ball near the end of the shot clock(as opposed to Hayes and Juwan Howard before). Artest just needs to come in and move without the ball.

    We could also let T-Mac play off the ball more with the addition of Brent Barry. This couldn't be done before without Rafer because of Head's inability to bounce a ball properly and mysterious immunity to passing straight. Add in Artest and now T-Mac cannot be double teamed anywhere because of the attention Artest demands.
     
  18. IamKhan

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    It's somewhat related to this thread. (I cannot start a new one).

    What will our rotation pattern look like?

    Suppose the starting 5 are yao/scola/artest/tmac/alston, battier is the sixth man, and we keep landry.

    battier in / artest out
    barry in / tmac out
    landry in / scola out
    ab in / alston out

    tmac scola in / yao/barry out
    artest in / battier out
    alston in / ab out
    yao in / landry out (starting 5 again)
     
  19. stephen94

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    Triangle Offense!!!!

    Ron, T-Mac, Yao.
     
  20. abita

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    it is quad offense

    Luis, Ron, T, and Yao.
     

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