BTM, Mobley commanded the ball his second yr. Francis commanded the ball his first yr. If a player is one of your better players like jackson was with the warriors, why shouldn't he command the ball.He want command the ball with the Rockets, but Francis is the point, and his job is to get evryone involved. I think the Rockets are just as good, if not better off if Jackson can score 16 a night instead of Glen Rice. Glen is sliding fast. He is still a very good shooter, but I see a guy like Reggie Miller getting better, getting quicker and Rice slowing down become just a spot up shooter.
Straight from bskball.com: <i>The Warriors technically have 15 days to match the offer, regardless of the outcome, Jackson did prevail, in landing a large multi-year contract. <b>Word on Jackson is he is a gifted athlete with a nice shooting touch, but is a difficult player to coach and has something of an attitude problem. </b></i> I guess I just made it up outta nowhere!
Looks like bskball.com has been reading the Sporting news too much, and with as much accuracy as crossover did: http://bbs.clutchcity.net/php3/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22728
BTM is just trying to get a rise (in blood pressure) out of the board. He or she has been goading everybody in other threads. Just ignore him (or her). There is a place for those of us who are less well informed, but there is no place here on the board for outright stupdity and pugnaciousness.
HAHA, hey BTM, are you talking about the same bskball.com that said last week that Mo cost the Rockets the medical exemption that they're using on Marc Jackson? Or are you talking about the bskball.com that said that Mooch had agreed to a 6 year deal? Just asking! If they knew their roles, why are they buried on the bench? Why was Corie Blount warming the pine while Marc Jackson was having a ROY-caliber season? Johnson also came off the bench a great deal of the time, off the bench on a team that lacks big men. He also put up stats on par with Kelvin Cato.
I don't know what trouble BTM may be causing elsewhere, but he's not too far off base with his concerns about Marc Jackson's attitude. This is from a Sporting News team report in mid-July: The Warriors are also leery of re-signing Jackson because he said at the end of the season he considers himself more of a star player than a role player. And here's what Jackson himself said at the end of March to the Philadelphia Inquirer: "I'm not going to take a lesser role, and the Warriors organization knows that. I'm not going to let them turn me into a jump-shooting center, either. For example, they may want Antawn Jamison and Danny Fortson to work the post area, but want me to stand outside and shoot jump shots. I'm not going to do that, either, and they know that." OK? That enough evidence for you? By the way, Ervin Johnson averaged 30+ minutes and nearly 11 rebounds/game (plus 2 blocks/game) in this spring's playoffs. Are you sure that's "on a par with Kelvin Cato"??
The thing is, Jackson will instantly be close friends with Cuttino, and therefore with Steve too. A happy locker room equals good attitudes. He has that whole cool Philly connection with Cat and Griffin. Achebe can be happy. The wuv fest is still going to be here, and we got someone who can rebound. Also Swopa, unlike the Warriors, he won't have to sit outside and shoot jumpers all the time, because he won't be the only outside shooter in a lineup including Jamison, Dampier, Larry Hughes, and Mookie Blaylock versus a cozy lineup including Kenny Thomas, Glen Rice, Cuttino Mobley, and Steve Francis. I also recall Jamison making some comments about not liking to play outside so much either, no? The Warriors have a nice supply of big men, unfortunately all got injured and needed the low post to be effective. Troy Murphy helps fix that problem. BTM- I'd still like to know of a big man making less than 3.25 mill not on his rookie contract you'd consider better. Chris Mills is co-captain of the Warriors. Matt Bullard was our acting captain last year. Let's go pick them up. Not command the ball? He was on one of the worst teams in the league, and was averaging 18-10 as a starter! Name a center not named Shaq who averaged better than 18-10 as a starter last year. Not gonna happen. Part of the reason he was injury prone, was because he wasn't prepared to play 35 minutes a night, because Fortson, Foyle, and Dampier weren't supposed to all injure themselves. His minutes went from 15 and under, to 35+ minutes night in, night out. He was still a rookie. You'd see similar fatigue/injury prone effects as Langhi/Collier played increasingly larger minutes. Jackson mentioned that his conditioning is better and he's healthy in one of his interviews.
Let me get this straight Swopa, an article quoting Marc Jackson saying that he doesn't want to be a jump shooting big man proves BTM's point that Marc Jackson is a cancer with a bad work ethic? I don't know how Marc Jackson not wanting to be a jump shooting big man proves that he doesn't have a strong work ethic. As far as playoff stats, those are pretty good numbers, but I'm talking about the regular season. You know, when he averaged 3.2 ppg, 5 rpg in 24.2 minutes per game? Who knows, if Cato had got to the playoffs maybe he would have went off since big men have a larger role in the postseason since the pace is slower, so yeah when I look at REGULAR SEASON stats since Cato doesn't have playoff stats to compare it to (at least in a regular role) I put him on par with Kelvin Cato. Ervin Johnson has been in the league for 8 years before having a consistent monsterous playoffs like he did, and if it wasn't for this run his numbers would be similar to Cato. He had a horrible regular season.
I've posted before that I know of absolutely nothing that would back up claims of Jackson having a poor work ethic. If that's BTM's (or anyone else's) argument, I'm inclined to disagree with it unless I hear of him showing up at training camp weighing 300 pounds. But the comments I saw recently from BTM in this thread had to do with Jackson being unhappy if he didn't get enough minutes, shots, or low-post touches. There is some factual basis for that concern, like it or not. In fact, I'd say that if GS doesn't match the Rockets' offer, that concern will be one of the primary reasons. Which doesn't mean that he'll be a cancer in Houston. As NIKEstrad notes, he'll be the best low-post option on the team. And given the Rockets' shortage of healthy big men, he should get all the minutes he wants. But if Francis, Mobley, and Rice take the lion's share of the shots, don't be surprised if Jackson starts making Hakeem-esque noises about "respecting the post," or something like that. Oh. Then it appears I've entirely misunderstood the purpose of the BBS Hangout.
If Jackson signed for a 1 year deal, that would be AWESOME. I'd be absolutely thrilled because it would be a make or break year for him and he'd probably play to his fullest. But you just don't give a guy like this a 4mil/yr deal. These kill teams in the longrun. Just as Raptor fans what they think of Yogi Stewart. It doesn't mean he'll be a cancer or a problem in Houston but it's too much of a chance to take considering it'll cost us so much money if we're wrong. Also, there's 3 scoring options Houston who will get a good amount of shots(Cat, Glen and Stevie). I think this guy wants to be 1st or 2nd option on a team and I NEVER see that happening.
exactly. 6 years is too long for a guy who had 30 good games on a **** ass team who had his numbers padded up when the game was already over by the end of the 3rd. jackson is known for being a defensive liability. i think hes got isaac austin written all over him. just remember, isaac austin for 26 games with the clippers averaged 15.2p, 8.7r, 3.4a, 0.8blocks. here is marc jackson and corey blounts golden state stats comparison mj games48 minutes 29.4 offensive rebounds 2.5 total rebounds7.5 assists1.2 steals0.7 blocks 0.6 turnovers1.9 points13.2 blount games38 minutes 24.2 offensive rebounds 3.8 total rebounds 8.3 assists 1.3 steals 0.8 blocks 0.4 turnovers 1.4 points 6.8 blount outplayed jackson in every facet of the game except scoring and did it in less minutes. be afraid, be very afraid corie blount 00/01 suns 30 games 12.9 minutes 2.8rpg 1.8 points corie blount 00/11 gsw 38 games 24.2 minutes 8.3 rpg 6.9 points that is what you call the home of stats boosting. may the ghost of ike jackson haunt you for all eternity
Anyone care to refute shaqkobe's proof? btw: Peter Vescey is reporting the Knicks might deal Charlie Ward to the Warriors for Erick Dampier. If this goes down, it would make sense for the Warriors to keep Jackson around for a year and then maybe go after a good C in the draft(Chris Marcus). http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/5559.htm
Blount didn't outplay Jackson in any facet of play. If you want to get down to the real stats, Blount averaged 6.8 ppg and 8.3 rpg, Jackson as a starter averaged 16 ppg and 10 rpg. I'll take Jackson everytime. So you can take you and your Ike Austin comparison and go back to Los Angeles and pray that Shaq's toe hold up all year. I refuted his proof earlier, and I seriously doubt that the Knicks trade for Dampier and his huge contract, and that the Warriors deal for Charlie Ward. Either way they would need 15 days to do that deal, and Vescey is as trustworthy as bskball.com.
Why would you be thrilled? You called the guy a cancer, and said he had a weak work ethic? As for killing a team in the long run, you'll never know until he gets a chance to prove himself, like he did last year.
Because Jackson would have the chance to prove he isn't a cancer. If he is a cancer or a bum, we're screwed. If we had him for 1 year and he sucks, we can bench and ditch him later! RocksMillenium, how many minutes did Jackson play AS A STARTER? You must take that into account when you compare the 16/10 numbers against Corey Blount. You're not doing that. I'm sure Jackson got like 35 minutes per game at his peak because Dampier and Foyle were both injured. RocksMillenium, what makes Ike Austin on the Clips any different than Jackson on the Warriors? Now instead of telling me or shaqkobe to "go away", how about showing some facts as to why they're different?
<i>Peter Vescey is reporting the Knicks might deal Charlie Ward to the Warriors for Erick Dampier. If this goes down, it would make sense for the Warriors to keep Jackson around for a year and then maybe go after a good C in the draft(Chris Marcus). </i> Hmmm...If Jackson was indeed a cancer and no better than Corey Blount, then don't you think the Warriors would be well aware of that? If that's the case, then why would the Warriors want to pay $3.25M to keep a cancer on the team? If he's no better than Blount, then it seems they wouldn't need Jackson since they've already got Foyle, Murphy, Blount and Fuller. If Jackson was really as you portrayed him, then Golden State should be running away from him as fast as possible, not considering keeping him.
you can't compare jacksons starting numbers with blounts overall. if you went and saw the games where blount played 30 or more minuites he probably averaged 12 rebounds
So you're saying that Blount is a better rebounder, shaqkobe? BFD. Neither put up significant numbers in assists, blocked shots, or steals. So basically, Blount has one skill - rebounding. He does that well. Jackson has several things going for him, including rebounding, scoring, and shooting range to 20 feet. Blount is also 32 and an 8 year vet (8 mostly mediocre seasons). 6'10", 242. Jackson was a rookie last year and is only 26. Listed at 6'10", 270. He has a bigger body allowing him to play center and youth on his side (thus the potential to improve).
A few quick points before I get to the latest scuttlebutt from GS-land: Blount is not as good as Jackson. (I mean, come on.) In terms of their rebounding, they both share the same flaw -- they're much more effective at (and interested in) getting offensive rebounds than defensive rebounds. In fact, getting offensive rebounds is about the only thing Blount does on the floor. And while Jackson has the ability to convert offensive rebounds into points, Blount doesn't. For that matter, Jackson's also better than Adonal Foyle. Jackson's a one-dimensional player whose one dimension (scoring) disappears against the best teams. Foyle's a one-dimensional player whose dimension (shot-blocking/defense) is only a factor against the worst teams. OK, and now the news. The last remaining serious beat writer for the Warriors (Matt Steinmetz) was on local radio last night. He explained the GS situation with Jackson as follows: The Warriors don't want Jackson for 6 years, $24 million, especially if he doesn't particularly want to be in Oakland. Even so, he's an asset the Warriors have first dibs on, and it's not good business to let an asset walk away for nothing. Now that the Rockets have placed a price tag on Jackson, GS is shopping him around the league to see who wants him at that price. Then they have to decide if whatever offer they get is worth keeping a grumpy Jackson on the roster until January. There is some resentment between Jackson and GS, for various reasons. According to Steinmetz, the Warriors did want Jackson to play toward the end of the year, and think he didn't because he was trying to protect his FA value. (I've heard conflicting stories on this -- at the time, word was the team doctors had told him to sit out the year.) Then Jackson got miffed because GS didn't treat him like he'd earned a starting role next year, and GS was upset that he gave them no consideration for giving him a chance to excel ... and if you've ever been in a bad relationship, you know how things went from there. [/list=1]
