Yeah, but it's hard to hate him or someone like George Washington. How about Eisnehower? ------------------ www.swirve.com "Pre-born, you're fine, pre-school, you're f*****."-George Carlin
Yeah...he's got enough to do. Managing the budget, passing and vetoeing bills, committing adultury...Of course he couldn't fit being a rolemodel into that packed agenda! ------------------ "They couldn't shoot, rebound, or pass, but other than that, they played great!" -Bill Walton
His job isn't to be a role model. If you held up anyone's life to the micrscope that we hold up to our presidents we would find them lacking in the role-model department. Don't look to a President to be a role-model, look for them to govern. ------------------ This space currently being renovated. We apologize for the inconvenience.
I have been considering joining the Democratic Party lately, and I have unearthed some interesting tidbits. 1. The official magazine of the Democratic Party is Hustler Magazine. Larry Flynt (who, according to his daughter, was a practicing pedophile) is often seen yucking it up with Dem. bigwigs and donors. How classy! 2. The Democratic Party just recently changed their official flag to a Solid blue cloth (with a Gap symbol in the lower right hand corner) with a single white splattering of goo in the center. The single white shot symbolizes one nation, the death of state's rights, and the downfall of the silly Christian based morality for which our forefathers faught and died. 3. Jesse Jackson will remain as an important figure in the Party despite the fact that he diverted funds from charitable causes and used his supporter's hard earned cash as "hush money" for his mistress. What loyalty! 4. The Democrats are working on solutions to make sure that every uninformed, lazy citizen can vote without moving from their sofa (so they won't miss the latest Budweiser commercial). The Democrats realize that a less ambitious electorate and a more dependent people means a better chance of regaining the House and Presidency. Go Democrats!! Send me a check too!!! 5. Finally, the Democrats are working on plans to make our backward country more like Socialist Europe. This will be great! Aside from double digit unemployment, substandard medical care, $5 a gallon gasoline, a 70 tax rate, and a general lack of productivity, at least we can be on the dole! I am sold! Vote Democrat! ------------------ I hate rice and beans!
You're funny. But probably not in the way you meant to be funny. ------------------ This space currently being renovated. We apologize for the inconvenience.
What a stupid quote. The ex-President put himself in the following situation. He had sexual relations with an intern- an act that would get ANY CEO of ANY public corporation fired. He lied to a Federal Judge and a Federal Grand Jury about the relationship. He was forced to answer the questions about the Lewinsky relationship because a Federal Judge, appeals judges, and the Supreme Court all decided that a sitting President is to be treated like any citizen in Civil Rights sexual harassment violations cases. His girlfriend, Monica Lewinsky, told more than 10 of her friends about the affair. Israeli secret service and Chinese Intelligence have now both said they knew about the affair because our President had phone sex on unsecured phone lines. This means that many other countries must have known as well. When faced with the charges, President Clinton waved his finger at the country and lied. NOW, HERE IS THE IMPORTANT POINT THAT MORONS AND DEMOCRATS (REDUNDANT?) DON'T SEEM TO GET. Our President, the most powerful man in the world, put himself into a situation where he could be blackmailed by scores of Washington insiders and several foreign governments- including our biggest foes! Do you dimwits see the significance of this act? If the blue dress were never found, Clinton would have never told the truth, and guess what could have happened then? China, Russia, Israel, and others could have used phone sex tapes in every negotiation with the U.S. Congresspeople could get special favors from Clinton if they were "in the know". Large corporations could get all kinds of concessions if they had access to hard evidence, which would no doubt become the hottest commodity in our capital. The United States could have been reduced to a "banana Republic". So Puedlfor, you go ahead and dismiss the complete abdication of responsibility and the commission of felonies as unimportant events. Thank God we have people in this country who have some basic sense about right and wrong. You, floating in your ignorant bliss, can thank them for your easy life in this wonderful country of law and order. ------------------ I hate rice and beans!
That was the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. ------------------ This space currently being renovated. We apologize for the inconvenience.
He's just pissed because he's unemployed. I'm a Democrat and I have a job. Hehe. ------------------ www.swirve.com "Pre-born, you're fine, pre-school, you're f*****."-George Carlin
Just to point out, our forefathers (including Washington, Jefferson and Adams) weren't Christians. They were Diests. Diests had similarities to Christianity in practice but very different beliefs that had more in common with what we today consider Wicca than they did with traditional Christianity. They fought and died for the right to religious freedom among other things. The monarchy they rebelled against was affiliated with the Roman Catholic church (the preeminent Christian religion in the world at the time), considered by most Diests and Quakers (both the predominant religions in America at the time of the revolutionary war) to be overbearing and stifling. Groups like the Puritans, who practiced the strict dictates of the Bible (the Amish are an offshoot of this early group) and were likely the first true Christians in America along with the Pilgrims, actually abstained from the war because they believed in non-violence. ------------------ The internet is about the free exchange and sale of other people's ideas. - Futurama
Slight problem : The English Monarchy was not affiliated with the Roman Catholic Church. ------------------ This space currently being renovated. We apologize for the inconvenience.
I believe Queen Elizabeth dismissed Catholicism with a predominantly Protestant official religion with Catholic ties. Is that right Puedlfor? ------------------
Puedlfor- I did not expect anything more from you than your inane response. I realize that facts don't play a major role in your world, so hasta nunca. Jeff- 1. Our founding fathers were not all Deists. Your statement is a gross oversimplification. 2. I understand our history very well, and I used the term "Christian based morality" for a reason. You cannot deny the strong influence of Christianity in the Colonies, as explained in the Lincoln Journal Star- Donald Lutz, in his book The Origins of the Constitution, devotes a chapter to the context of the Constitution. He says one way to identify the influences on American political thought is to examine the citations in public political literature of the time. In other words, to learn why the founders thought as they did, see whose works impressed them enough to be quoted. He found that from 1760 to 1805, not only was the Bible the most quoted book, it was quoted more often than all other sources combined. Note 1 Those who would have us think our founders were not Christians just don't know where the founders got their ideas. The Library of Congress says "The result was that a religious people rose in rebellion against Great Britain in 1776, and that most American statesmen, when they began to form new governments at the state and national levels, shared the convictions of most of their constituents that religion was, to quote Alexis de Tocqueville's observation, 'indispensable to the maintenance of republican institutions. '" The fact is that not only were the founders overwhelmingly Christian, but even those few who weren't recognized the necessity of founding the republic on Christian principles. 3. King George 111 was a member of the Anglican Church, not the Roman Catholic Church. ------------------ I hate rice and beans!
On second thought, nevermind. I was going to post, but I realized that it really isn't necessary. I feel better when I avoid these types of discussions anyway. This in interesting reading, though. ------------------ The internet is about the free exchange and sale of other people's ideas. - Futurama [This message has been edited by Jeff (edited June 04, 2001).]
Hmm... I like chatting with trolls, usually, but this had devolved past the point where it's intriguing. Bela: You're a complete idiot. Enjoy your unenlightened, banal, non-reflective life. ------------------ A few years back on the Senate floor... Phil Gramm: "If Democrats could, they'd tax the air we breathe." Ted Kennedy (jumping up): "By God, why didn't I think of that sooner!" Boston College - NCAA Hockey National Champions 2001
Hmm, I wonder if a liberal on this board could get away with a moronic post calling conservatives dimwits and morons? Doubt it. ------------------ www.swirve.com "Pre-born, you're fine, pre-school, you're f*****."-George Carlin
Granted, the original stuff about Hustler, etc was maybe over the top but it was not without MERIT. Flynt and Jackson have both been long been prominently associated with Democratic politicking in the past. So if I associated Republicans with racism, that would have merit because a few Republicans in the past were known to be racist? ------------------ http://www.swirve.com ... more fun than a barrel full of monkeys and midgets.
Rocketman95: I was being sarcastic because I couldn't even begin to imagine what you were trying to say. shanna: oh, yeah, sure, of course. But don't forget about the racist Democrats, too. The guy was trying to be FUNNY for God's sake! ------------------ Time is a great teacher-- only problem is it kills all its pupils.
shanna: oh, yeah, sure, of course. But don't forget about the racist Democrats, too. The guy was trying to be FUNNY for God's sake! Of course he was trying to be funny... you're the one that said it had merit. My post was directed to you, not the original poster. Granted, the original stuff about Hustler, etc was maybe over the top but it was not without MERIT. ------------------ http://www.swirve.com ... more fun than a barrel full of monkeys and midgets.
RichRocket: I need to prove that he's a troll, and that my insult was on that ground? Alright, here we go... "I have been considering joining the Democratic Party lately, and I have unearthed some interesting tidbits." This is your first clue: deliberately taunting. Not exactly a good way to convince someone. "1. The official magazine of the Democratic Party is Hustler Magazine. Larry Flynt (who, according to his daughter, was a practicing pedophile) is often seen yucking it up with Dem. bigwigs and donors. How classy!" Straight-out lie. He gives money to the party that supports his constitutional rights, but if there were a Party Magazine, it'd probably be the New Republic. There are plenty of scumbags in the Republican part... like Newt, yet not all Republicans are scumbags. Or, what about Republican connections to big oil, etc? Strom Thurmond voted against civil rights legislation. ick "2. The Democratic Party just recently changed their official flag to a Solid blue cloth (with a Gap symbol in the lower right hand corner) with a single white splattering of goo in the center. The single white shot symbolizes one nation, the death of state's rights, and the downfall of the silly Christian based morality for which our forefathers faught and died." What a lie. This is first of all an uttery fabrication. Secondly, our founding fathers did NOT want Christian-based morality. Jefferson himself characterized the Establishment clause as a "wall of separation" between church and state. Having experienced persecution in England, nobody wanted a "christian-based" state. "3. Jesse Jackson will remain as an important figure in the Party despite the fact that he diverted funds from charitable causes and used his supporter's hard earned cash as "hush money" for his mistress. What loyalty!" More lies and misprepresentation. Jackson hasn't been an important member of the Democratic party since he lost in '88. He's very *vocal*, just not very important. And if you really wanted to get personal on congressmen, Reps have done just as sleazy of things. "4. The Democrats are working on solutions to make sure that every uninformed, lazy citizen can vote without moving from their sofa (so they won't miss the latest Budweiser commercial). The Democrats realize that a less ambitious electorate and a more dependent people means a better chance of regaining the House and Presidency. Go Democrats!! Send me a check too!!!" Amazing... another straight out lie! Actually, educated people tend to vote Democrat. The statistical breakdown goes like this: highschool dropout: Dem Highschool grad: rep associates degree :rep bachelors: pretty even more than bachelors: dem You were wrong again. "5. Finally, the Democrats are working on plans to make our backward country more like Socialist Europe. This will be great! Aside from double digit unemployment, substandard medical care, $5 a gallon gasoline, a 70 tax rate, and a general lack of productivity, at least we can be on the dole!" Hmmm... You're triply wronng. I've never heard a single Democrat profess such desires. Never. Secondly, there isn't a single pure-socialist country in Europe. And, refer to many semi-socialist Scandinavian countries: high taxes, high per capita purchasing power and quality of life. Gasoline sucks, too . Oh, and Europe isn't backward. "I am sold! Vote Democrat!" This entire post deliberately incendiary, incorrect, and misleading. Tell me how this wasn't a troll-post. ------------------ A few years back on the Senate floor... Phil Gramm: "If Democrats could, they'd tax the air we breathe." Ted Kennedy (jumping up): "By God, why didn't I think of that sooner!" Boston College - NCAA Hockey National Champions 2001 [This message has been edited by haven (edited June 04, 2001).]
Hell yes, haven!! Thank you. ------------------ I always thought "With my talent, it's only a matter of time before I'm discovered". Now I think "With my talent, it's only a matter of time before I'm found out".
