I cannot believe someone posted that Christianity is the "in" thing to hate. WTF? I didnt notice too many protestors at midnight mass. RIP Reggie, may you be at peace.
Yeah, who would have thunk it? Sheesh, seems like some of you guys are just looking for a reason to argue. RIP Reggie.
Not to stray too far from the topic here, but Hate is perhaps a poor choice of words, but it is becoming increasingly more popular to see Christianity frowned upon and ridiculed, it's happened in Europe for a while now and it's spreading over here. I'm not saying people are protesting the Christian lifestyle, but mostly a lot of the beliefs are under attack.
Reggie was a great Football Player . . . and a Great Man No one has no flaws. . . . . He tried to do good. . . He tried to help people. . . HE TRIED . . . . We should all strive to at least do that much Rocket River REggie White .. . Rest In Peace . . . Hope to meet you in the Next Life
Sigh. This thread may get a lock (I'm not saying I want that to happen) or a move to D&D. Then we won't get the chance to eulogize this person any more, or to express prayers or sympathy for his family. People certainly like to argue...
I appreciate that you disagree. For my part, I understand your position, but would hope that when I die, the (much more limited, obviously) group of people who talk about me, do so in a way that represents me accurately, with all my faults. I recently had an aunt who passed away, and when people talked about her in ways that seemed to imply that she was someone that she wasn't, it made me so mad that I had to step back for just a minute, so I really do believe what I'm saying. One more point, and I don't know you so I don't know whether it actually applies. If it doesn't I hope it doesn't offend. As I read the way this thread developed, it seemed to me that the arguement regarding discussing Mr. White's legacy devolved into an arguement about the merits of Mr. White's message and those who share it. I guess that might be appropriate, given that Mr. White was personally unknown to everyone who's posted (I'll assume), but when I think it colors the discussion about proper respect for the dead with an issue with "battle lines" so clearly drawn that it could overwhelm the more specific discussion. Again, I hope you are not offended by what I say, and I respect that you and many others feel differently.
Thank you for being rational unlike some others who seem to be begging for a reason to argue as pointed out earlier. I agree with most of what you have said, But this is not a memorium for Reggie White, this was a thread telling news of his death, and usually when that happens we all have the decency not to drag up flaws (unless in extreme cases, such as OBL's death which will probably be filled with many degrading things I will have no problem with.) Personally, when my time has passed, I wouldn't want someone to immediatley point to my flaws after they'd heard the news, not that it would matter much, but what kind of a life have you led when people can only point to the bad things you've done. I'd rather have them point out the good things about me. Discussions about character and beliefs should be reserved for after that. I felt angered and frankly disappointed in the human race that some here had to stoop to the level of degrading a man on the news of his death, especially a man who did so much. He was called a flawed man earlier because of a few statements made in haste. Calling a man flawed is pretty redundant isn't it? If Reggie White was a flawed man then I hate think what Rae Curruth (to use another football player as an example) is. Death is universal, it's something everyone has to face, and none of us will be there to see it. The funeral process from The Sculptor's Funeral comes to mind. There is just a time where everyone remains courteous and says nothing negative, but sooner or later it's open season on the deceased's character. Where is the balance? I don't know, I'm not arguing that, because I admit the statement made would have triggered my reaction perhaps even months after the news of his death because of how insensitive it was. Does this justify my response? I can't judge other people here, I can be disappointed with them, maybe even engage in a little mutual verbal choke hold, but bottom line there is nothing I can do about it. There is nothing Reggie White can do about it either, and there is nothing you can do about Reggie White now because he no longer exists on this planet.
Awesome post moe. I slept on this and I, begrudingly, admit that I was probably a little overzealous in my condemnation of some in this thread. But you know what I did yesterday? I had to go to a memorial service for my mom's mom (grandmother in Georgia), so I guess I was a little jumpy when it comes to respecting the deceased. For me, I felt that we were all at Reggie White's visitation, paying our respects, only to have several people point out the obvious...that he was HUMAN. As human beings, we all have flaws, none of us are perfect. Only Christ was perfect. Yet, if you truly think about it, you would not go up to someone's family at visitation and say, "Your husband was a great man; HOWEVER, his legacy to me will be that he was a drug addict (or whatever vices one might has)". I guess I feel it is just respect. And I am probably taking things a little too seriously. I mean after all, it is only an Internet message board and the people really don't know each other, or at least that well, but just because there is a condition of anonymity does not give us the excuse to be disrespectful, I think. But I guess what disappoints me the most is that there is still resentment towards Reggie for a mistake he made. If you truly are unable to forgive Reggie for what he said, why not take the high road and just not comment about it? When things are said about Reggie White like they have been said, to me, that makes that person not any better than Reggie White.....in other words, that person has "stooped to his level". I admire Reggie White like I do with any person who gives their life to the Lord, so seeing him being disparaged like he has been in this thread upsets me. But in all of the reading I have done about him, I do know one thing - that he, himself, would not be upset at all with people in this thread. He would forgive them because he would want to make things right. Reggie, you were a great man, and this world was a better place because of you. You will be greatly missed. Rest in peace - ++++.
As the biggest Eagle fan on this board, it is truly sad to see a person and player of Reggie's stature gone so soon. It is even more heartbreaking that people are using his religious views to batter the man while he just passed away. My thoughts go out to his family and I'll bet that he is with Jerome are up there looking down on us now. +
What do you expect when idiots like Jim Rome take one mistake from a man's life and bring it up over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. It becomes the only thing the guy is remembered for which is a shame. Luckily, Reggie lived such a good life that most people will not judge him for one moment of ignorance.
that's funny. that's exactly what I thought when I heard he died. i wonder what Rome will say. hopefully he'll show some respect for the dead.
I'm sure Rome will show some respect. Reggie White made a speech (presumably, one he spent time writing) in public, to the elected representatives of the State of Wisconsin, in which he made not one, but many ignorant, racist comments. They weren't just racist though, they were ridiculous as hell. Japanese turning a television into a watch? Hispanics fitting 30 people into a home? You can hardly expect people to ignore those comments, any more than they ignored Jimmy the Greek's comments about black people. Both deserved all the (negative) attention they got. As a football player, though, Reggie was as good as it gets. He should be remembered as one of the greatest linemen in the history of the football, if not the greatest. And he was instrumental in getting real free agency in the NFL, the last major pro sports league to get it.
Ken Caminitti died of a drug overdose and there was not this much disrespect paid to him. What post started all of this anyway?
Agreed, one comment doesnt make a person. He apologized, get over it. He lived a good and honest life. He was a devout Christian but made a mistake. Who hasnt said something that they regret? Talk about overkill.
