It's only crap on his grave to those who disagree with him. It is factual, and it is something he was well-known for. He believed it with all his heart, so therefor I don't think Reggie would have any problem whatsoever with that being mentioned as part of who he was. Why do you have a problem with it.. are you ashamed Reggie said such things?
Crap, I have noticed a few of my threads which are newsworthy and only suppose to be in the Hangout....turn out to be in D&D!
Well said. Like I said earlier, I forgave White for what he said when he apologized. However, he still said it and I can totally understand people who chose not to accept his apology.
Looking at that speech, it doesn't seem racist to me. It just talks about certain human subcultures and things that they seem to have developed a "gift" for, whether genetically or just socially. In the general sense, I doubt many people would disagree with those statements. No one ever said they were supposed to apply strictly to each and every individual of that race. Besides, he only said positive things. That makes a huge difference. It is the subject of much debate whether homosexuality, as an orientation, is inborn or a chosen path. Most people on both sides of the argument believe there are probably genetic factors... and also some possible environmental factors (and a few "choices" - we all know someone who's experimented with different sexual orientations before settling on something). It's just a matter of how much is due to each factor. Regardless, it is the individual's choice whether or not to participate in particular homosexual acts. Not like your skin color, which you can't do anything about.
No, I'm glad Reggie White had the stones to say what he did about homosexuality, not many others in his position would risk their necks to say these things, especially in America now where Christianity is the "in" thing to hate. I don't agree completely with his racial remarks, but he admitted he shouldn't have said them, and still you guys who say you forgave him obviously haven't because it was the first thing you thought of when he died. You didn't think of his 200 career sacks, his Super Bowl ring, his comittment to family. His resolve when bigots burned his church to the ground. You immediatley pointed out his faults as a human being and I am very angered you chose to go down that road. Maybe when Tim Robbins dies I'll just bring up the fact that he was a pinko hippie and not the fact he was a great actor. Maybe when Eminem dies, instead of looking back on his great rap career, perhaps I'll bring up the fact he tried to tell young people what political decisions to make based on his "supreme knowledge", despite the fact that he didn't even know what the word apathy meant. I'm just disappointed that a man I respect and admire couldn't get the simple respect that anyone else should have been afforded on the day they passed away.
There's a huge difference between defaming someone with slanderous names and personal opinions as opposed to stating facts. Even if they reflect poorly on a person in the public eye. Like I said before, if you believe in what Reggie said as Reggie did, then you should not be angered by this. As he would not. If Tim Robbins, Eminem, or even any vocally conservative famous person, were to pass, I would EXPECT that their opinions of controversy would be brought to light.. because it is part of who they ARE. You should really watch where you use the word "you" in reference to this thread.. because I, for one, am not the "you" you refer to.
Rationalize all you want, you started all this, you are exactly who I'm talking to. What you call facts other people call beliefs, and vice versa.
As far as the speech is concerned, its easy to quote it and call it hateful, but while it was ignorant, he wasn't trying to be hateful. He was trying to bring people together. But it was ignorant and there is no defending what he said.
No but I guess Reggie White is just a football player and a radical right wing Christian at that so what he says must be complete poppycock.
Reggie White IMO was a great football player and in general probably a good and decent person but he was deeply flawed. He was flawed by using ignorance to justify self-righteousness. I give his friends and family my sympathy for their deep loss and my respect for him being a great player and a family man but he was flawed and that will always be part of his legacy.
Yeah moe, I really crapped all over Reggie's grave. I suppose you would rather his comments never be brought up ever again. I can't understand why. The only reason I can fathom is that you are ashamed or embarassed by them. I disagreed with what he had to say, as did many, as some agreed with him, but regardless, it is part of who he was and is, and always will be. I admire the resolution of anyone with strong convictions, even if I feel they are wrong. I'm sad one of my boyhood icons is gone now and a family has lost a person they deeply loved. Thanks for trying to paint me a villain and pick a fight where it did not belong. I'm done with this thread. Goodbye.
I can't believe this news. This is so shocking to me. It is also disappointing (but I guess not too surprising) to see people bringing up something in which the man admitted he was wrong for saying. What else do you want him to do? What is done is done or said is said and all he could do is apologize which he did. Can't yall at least give the man the decency to wait a day or two before showing your zero tolerance? I mean it isn't like he can defend himself; sorta an unfair fight here, if you know what I mean?
I didn't try and do anything, I didn't even draw attention to what you said at first. I took offense to what drapg said about Reggie calling homosexuality a "choice" as if it was something to make him out as a moron. But you jumped right in and made yourself the ringleader so you can continue believing what you want. But congrats to you for taking the high road, bowing out graciously while trying to paint me as the over-zealous, simple-minded, blood-thirsty antagonist.
