I saw this posted by a Raptors fan on another board and thought it was pretty interesting: Rockets get: McGrady, Christie, Willis, maybe future first rounder Raptors get: Shandon, #9, Cato Cato with BYC is worth 2.75 and Shandon gets 2.2, so that's 4.95. Add 4.5 exception and you have 9.45, so clearly Los or Walt or Bull would need to be thrown in. With Christie coming, Walt is expendable. Then trade into this draft to get a center, there are plenty of center projects available. Francis/Moochie Mobley/Christie McGrady/Bullard KT/Los Hakeem/Willis/Draft Pick Throw in our two exceptions(one guy I would love for 2.5 is Kurt Thomas) and you've got a very good team for now and the future. ------------------
Personally, I really like that trade. McGrady is something special but all in all I would turn it down. Houston has long been known as a player-friendly orangization that players like to play for. What kind of example would we be setting to trade Shandon? Just one year ago, when Shandon was a very coveted free agent, we told him about what a huge building block of our rebuilding he would be, about how he would be so appreciated here, about how he would get more money from us later, etc. It would severely damage our reputation with future FA's to trade Shandon. Even though it is a good deal, don't trade Shandon. It isn't worth it. ------------------ Cheaters never win. Unless you play for LA that is. [This message has been edited by The Cat (edited June 13, 2000).]
I hate to trade Shandon too, but to land a talent like McGrady, I don't know. There would just be no way to matchup with Francis, Mobley and McGrady. However, I would definitely OK it with Shandon before any trade. ------------------ [This message has been edited by DaFranchise (edited June 13, 2000).]
If the deal can be tweaked in some way to not involve Shandon Anderson, then I think the Rockets should really explore it. If they deal Anderson, this organization's reputation with FAs would be totally shot. The Rockets would never receive a wink-wink ever again and any big name players would be dis-enchanted with the front office. If the Raptors would go for the basic framework of Cato and 9th for McGrady, I think that would be a good starting point. However, they seem to be averse to picking up draft picks and would rather deal away potential stars like Bender for veteran role players. ------------------ Check out the Best Source for Draft Info Draftsource.net
Let me say it this way, I read this thread up to where it said trade Shandon, and I did not read after!!!! Well will the trade Shandon madness END !!!!!!!!!!! ------------------
vince, if you read the posts, you would see that the reason we would not do this trade for McGrady, one of the best young players who hasn't even reached his potential, was because we didn't want to give up Shandon. However, if you keep Shandon, either he(starting clause), Mobley(will want a starting clause), or McGrady(a star) will have to come off the bench. If you don't give them Mobley, which is impossible because you can't sign-and-trade two different players in the same deal, or Anderson, you just can't land McGrady. If Shandon agrees and is happy to go to Toronto, make the deal. Maybe if Shandon has somewhere else he'd like to go, a 3rd team could get involved in a minimal way. Just ideas ------------------
Anderson probably wouldn't want to go to the Raptors since he did want to move closer to home (Atlanta)...maybe Atlanta could jump in and put something in the mix like ya said. ------------------
Are the inmates running the asylum? I have read in so many threads that we can't trade so-and-so because of front-office promises (either pledges not to trade them or restrictions due to playing time or positional pledges). Most of these guys are making unreal money and will hold a gun to our head to get top dollar when their time comes OR THEY WILL LEAVE HOUSTON. Why do the Rockets box themselves in with these desperate promises? ------------------ There are 3 kinds of people: those who can count and those who can't.
I'm with you Rich. Whether anyone likes it or not this is a business and there are few people on this team that are untouchables. Shandon's situation is delicate in that we brought him here for less money than he may have gotten elsewhere and assured him a starting role. The mistake there is assuring him a starting slot, because what if the Rockets aquired someone better? Of course SA would become the backup because this is about putting a winning product on the court. As much as I like Shandon, he is not untouchable. There is one reason why I would not trade for T-Mac....salary. He is going to want the max, which I do not feel he is worth. IMO players that get paid large contracts should be carrying their team. He's had one really successful year, been to one playoff series and has won nothing. He has never carried a team. I'm against picking up any player that is not willing to pay his dues. At this point, I consider him a good complementary/role player at best even though he may be a star one day. ------------------ We need some meat in the post!
Don't trade Shandon OR Cuttino (this brings me back to the thread comparing the two, and the only conclusion I drew-after picking Shandon-is that we need them both). McGrady may be showing all-star potential and more, but how about Cat, and even Shandon in a more all-around role? This last season showed flashes of what these three will do in the future and I'd bank on it. Besides, we could use big men or a 3-4 player, so the McGrady wouldn't necessarily get us any closer. Another year gone, hmmm. And on top of it all, he's not even a guarantee, a $9M risk for 2 players showing almost as much potential (some would argue more!). ------ BRR (but I've got inches to spare
Shandon stays no matter what! ------------------ "Stranger things have happened, but none stranger than this" - Commentator after a parachutist landed in the ring of a Holyfield fight
Gideon: We did that to Othella, who signed a below market contract to stay in H-town to play beside and behind Dream & Chuckie. How is he treated? Better learn the Canadian NationalAnthem son, you're going to hear it alot. I agree it is a business and the organization will do whatever is necessary to better itself (which is what happened to Othella). ------------------
Shandon likes big cities and his home is Atlanta. The Raptors want one player over any other, and he plays for Atlanta. So here it is: Rockets get: TMac, Willis, Christie, 1st rnd Hawks get: Cato, Shandon, #9 Raptors get: Mutombo, Walt The bottom line is it improves our team, and Shandon is, if not happier, just as happy in Atlanta. If TMac is interested in Houston, don't pass up the chance to land him. ------------------
4Chuckie: Just 'cause Othella got the shaft doesn't make it right to do it again. Loyalty is a rare quality in organizations. If you show some, most people will go the distance for you. Being loyal is going against the norm for today's teams. That is a quality that would be attractive to players. Shandon came here because Houston was an attractive team. To ship him out diminishes that image. You can spend years building an attractive image and lose it with one badly handled player transaction. JMO. ------------------ He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.
Gideon- bingo. This is more than business. This is about honor, and the future reputation of the Rockets. It would be more than just turning on Shandon. It would be going back on a promise. Our image and reputation for loayalty is very, very, very important. Othella and Willis both signed for less to play here, but it still doesn't compare to what Shandon and his agent agreed to. He was the most sought-after free agent of the summer, had offers from several teams including the then world champion Spurs, and took much less money to play with us. Want to talk business? Trading Shandon would be a horrible business maneuver. Our delicate situation with Anderson makes him as untouchable as Franchise. [This message has been edited by Nolen (edited June 13, 2000).]
The only team with a shot at him that could've offered more than us is Utah, and he loves big cities. San Antonio was in the same situation, offering the exception. If he would be just as happy or happier somewhere else(Atlanta, Miami maybe), trade him. His value is very high, and as much as I'd like to see him finish his career a Rocket, he could be the key to landing a superstar. ------------------
Why are yous so high on T-MAC. Ok he might be a good player in ways but just think. Willis is in his last 2 years if that.......Cristie sucks, their first rounder they give us will probably be 19th or something like that. We loose Cato, Walt, Shandon and the #9. Why do that trade? It's stupid.....we are building a young team into a contender. Look at the talent in the draft.......we can get another young star as good as McGrady or even better if we could get Miles and Rudy seams to like Mioso. So really we are giving up a potential all-star in the draft....which is may-be, Cato who with the right help WILL be one of the best centers in the league, Walt who has bonded well with Cuttino and Francis who can provide shooting and veteran leadership and Shandon Anderson who is great for the Rockets in offense and Defense.......why trade? ------------------ I'm tha hip hop attracta, rapper slash acta, right back at cha!
Shandon came here for the additional playing time he would not have gotten in Utah no matter how much money they wanted to give him. Shandon is an open court player with loads of ability. We need size but not at the cost of one the best players on the team. Francis, Cat , And Anderson are the heart and soul of this team. Anybody else is fair game for trade bait. ------------------ Houston Rockets Forever!! In Rudy We Trust
I'm sorry. But most of you people are IDIOTS! Shandon is the best player the Rockets have at this point. If you don't think so, you didn't watch most of the games this year. That Dude knows what's going on at all times. He is the player the Rockets thought they were getting in Pippen. However, when Shandon found himself out of sync with the offense, he hung in there, worked his defense, and finally found himself an offensive identity (as opposed throwing a fit, forcing a trade, and riding the coattails of a team already on the verge of going to the finals). Shandon is the truest untouchable of this offseason. ------------------ The Wizard when asked about his WWJD bracelet: "It's my good luck charm. It stands for 'Walt Williams Just Doin' it'."
