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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by pirc1, Sep 10, 2007.

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  1. Bandwagoner

    Bandwagoner Member

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    If I could I would put black on financial aid forms and possibly job applications and tax returns and white on all apartment applications, home loans and club applications.

    But I'm not any part black (that anyone cares about, the actual chances of me having african ancestry is like 10% according to wiki, but it would be in the .05% range)
     
  2. Lil Pun

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    I have never seen any discrepancy in the financial aid that whites and blacks receive. As far as I know, I have never received any special benefit for placing it on my tax returns either. As far as jobs, I have been hired because I was skilled for the job and impressed during the interview. I didn't know skin color played a role in fact, judging by various comments that would actually hurt your chances, no?
     
  3. NewYorker

    NewYorker Ghost of Clutch Fans

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    If you are half-black and the greatest golfer to ever play, then the black community will call you black to bask in the glory - especially if you look black enough to pass for black.

    I'm sure if this country was dominated by Thai's we'd be calling Tiger asian.

    Same thing with Obama.
     
  4. rhino17

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    I didnt realize that, but on wiki, it says his dad was african american, jamaican, Enlgish, and german. His mom was Russian, French, Ditch, Syrian, and lebonese. Thats crazy. I've never seen someone with that any ethnic backgrounds
     
  5. Invisible Fan

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    I don't know about discrimination by whites, but there are poor Asians who are denied affirmative action benefits because they're perceived to be in a rich and smart group and that group is already diverse enough by the manager or evaluator's standards.

    AA is just an awfully flawed system.
     
  6. A_3PO

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    It isn't limited to Asians. In America, most any kid with one black parent is considered black. It has absolutely nothing to do with the Asian parent but it has everything to do with the black parent.
     
  7. Zion

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    LOL! are they talking about race or citizenship?
     
  8. Rockets2K

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    just wanted to let you guys know that *this* white boy isnt prejudiced


    I hate everyone equally.

    :p
     
  9. MR. MEOWGI

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    Wrong.

    We live in a culture based on Patrilineality.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrilineality

    Patrilineality (a.k.a. agnatic kinship) is a system in which one belongs to one's father's lineage; it generally involves the inheritance of property, names or titles through the male line as well.

    Not all cultures are like this.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinship_and_descent

    A descent group is a social group whose members claim common ancestry. A unilineal society (such as the Iroquois system) is one in which the descent of an individual is reckoned either from the mother's or the father's descent group. With matrilineal descent individuals belong to their mother's descent group (Not however through the mother directly. Usually descent is counted through the mothers brother, along with inheritance). With patrilineal descent, individuals belong to their father's descent group.

    In a society which reckons descent bilineally, or bilaterally (such as the Eskimo system), descent from both father and mother is equally important.

    Some societies reckon descent patrilineally for some purposes, and matrilineally for others. For instance, certain property and titles may be inherited through the male line, and others through the female line. This arrangement is sometimes called double descent.

    Societies can also consider descent to be ambilineal (such as Hawaiian system) where offspring determine their lineage through the matrilineal line or the patrilineal line.

    Our culture is not based on Matrilineality.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrilineality


    Matrilineality is a system in which one belongs to one's mother's lineage.

    A matriline is a line of descent from a female ancestor to a descendant (of either sex) in which the individuals in all intervening generations are female. In a matrilineal descent system (uterine descent), an individual is considered to belong to the same descent group as his or her mother. This is in contrast to the more currently common pattern of patrilineal descent. Patrilineal descent systems have not always been so common. Logically, it is easier to identify who the mother of a child is than the father.

    The uterine ancestry of an individual is a person's pure female ancestry, i.e. a matriline leading from a female ancestor to that individual.

    Mitochondrial DNA (mt-DNA) is normally inherited exclusively from one's mother - both daughters and sons inherit it all the same. As mt-DNA are sort of "cellular power plants," one's metabolism and energy conversion are much influenced by the matrilineal descent.

    In some cultures, membership of a group is inherited matrilineally; examples of this include the Minangkabau culture of West Sumatra, the Nairs, Bunts and Kurichiyas of Kerala, India, the Khasi and Garo of Meghalaya, India, the Naxi of China, the Gitksan of British Columbia the Iroquois Confederacy (Haudenosaunee), the Hopi, the Picts and the Berbers.

    In the ancient kingdom of Elam, the succession to the throne was matrilineal, and a nephew would succeed his maternal uncle to the throne.

    The order of succession to the position of the Rain Queen is a modern example in an African culture of matrilineal primogeniture: not only is dynastic descent reckoned through the female line, but only females, not males are eligible to inherit.
     
  10. durvasa

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    You're logic seems to be backwards to me. The fact that Woods is considered black, and not Asian, doesn't indicate that Asians have a lesser status. If anything, it's an affront to black people.

    Think about it. If Tiger had a black father and a white mother -- would he be consider black or white? The answer is he'd probably be considered black, and that would have been especially true 150 years ago when even a little "black blood" made you a black person by law. Certainly, that doesn't indicate that white people have a lesser status in the US than black people, right?
     
  11. windfern

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    AREN'T THEY ALL BEAUTIFUL?​


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  12. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    what does this have to do with race in this country. the info you posted is about legal inheritance, it has nothing to do with the subject.

    so you're telling me that if someone in the US has a "white mother" and a "black father" that person is considered white culturally? are you really trying use this info that has nothing to do with the subject to back up you up?

    bobrek posted info on actual laws that actually were in effect in this country, and none of the "info" you posted disputes that.
     
  13. MR. MEOWGI

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    We are a Patrilineal culture. You inherit your last name from your father, not your mother. In our culture it seems that you also inherit your race patrilinealy.

    That is why Tiger woud be considered black by most people. If this was a matrilineal culture most would consider him Asian.

    It is not some evil agenda.
     
  14. OldManBernie

    OldManBernie Old Fogey

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    AH HA! So I was right... eat it pirc1. :)
     
  15. lost_elephant

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    I am half Asian. Most Asian people consider me White and most White people consider me Asian.

    I guess you see what you want to see. What race do you all consider The Rock, Zack from "Saved by the Bell" and Brandon Lee?
     
  16. pirc1

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    Ok, let me know the next time you find out a white father and black mother, what the person will be called. I know a friend whose father is Chinese and mother is white, no one calls him White, I have cousins who married the White man and their kids are not called White either, tell me how this works again?
     
  17. pirc1

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    I know most people think they will not discriminate against minorities, but deep down no one treat other race the same as their own race. Can people honestly say Asians are treated exactly the same as White in the US? If you do I have a bridge that's for sale on the cheap. :p
     
  18. OldManBernie

    OldManBernie Old Fogey

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    By the definition, your friend is Chinese, so it makes sense no one calls him White. As far as your cousins' kids concerned, you need to correct the people that don't call them white.
     
  19. pirc1

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    For me I considered them biracial, they shouldn't have to be called White or Black or Asian and ignore the other half of their heritage. But the US society today only want to label them as one or the other for whatever reason, I do not think that is correct.
     
  20. OldManBernie

    OldManBernie Old Fogey

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    Do I get the Chinese discount? ;)

    While Asians aren't openly discriminated against, there are many minor discriminations that add up to something significant. I agree with you there.
     

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