http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/16/AR2005091601640_pf.html Questionable Naming Rights By Mike Wise Saturday, September 17, 2005; E01 I wrote a throw-away line in a Navy-Maryland football column last week, using a cliched hillbilly stereotype to depict West Virginia football fans. Juvenile college friends thought it was hilarious; gauging by the deluge of e-mails, an entire state did not. In hindsight, it was a needless, insensitive characterization. And for that I apologize. The lesson was particularly poignant for me, learning how easy it is to become attached to assumptions about cultural identity, how comfortable it is to paint people the way I see them rather than how they see themselves. Which brings me to the Washington Redskins and every other professional franchise or school vowing to never retire their American Indian names, logos and mascots, to make things right with a culture and a people. As you're drinking out of your Redskins mug Monday night while wearing your Redskins T-shirt -- supporting your make-believe Indians against those reviled Cowboys -- think long and hard about what a sweet way to "honor" a people that is. And, please, enough with this, "We're paying homage to the bravery and warrior mentality of the Native American." That's the same tired excuse Florida State University uses to continue the tradition of a student on horseback in full Hollywood regalia, chucking a flaming spear into the ground at midfield before football games, while thousands of people participate in the Tomahawk chop and the accompanying war chant also popular at Atlanta Braves games. The truth: The indigenous people of this continent were almost all hunters, gatherers, craftsmen and craftswomen before some of our ancestors nearly exterminated them and turned them into B-western caricatures. I have been wanting to write about this issue since I got this job 18 months ago. The boss told me to hold out before I alienated most of the city, their pigmented Indian-face flags flopping along the Beltway on the way to FedEx Field on a September morning. All those liberal crusaders in the District and suburban Washington, working and writing for their own passionate causes but pleading ignorance on this one. So I waited a year and observed, trying not be too judgmental, figuring I was just some knee-jerk newcomer who didn't get it. I still don't get it. Why, whether you're black or white, Hispanic or Asian, whether you're well off or getting by on public assistance, on the left or on the right, is most everyone okay with the term "Redskin?" Why am I still waiting for Daniel Snyder to understand that if his team's logo featured Mandingo tribesmen or orthodox Hasidics, it would be labeled racist and anti-Semitic? The most disturbing part is, the Redskins annually present data rationalizing their callous insistence on keeping the name, putting poll numbers to support their cause in their own news releases, as if to say, "See, we have Indian friends." On Page 272 of the team's media guide, readers are even given a Reader's Digest version of where the term came from. "The term redskin . . . was inspired not by their natural complexion but by their fondness for vermillion makeup." The team got its name in 1933 from the late owner George Preston Marshall. He wanted to pay tribute to the Indian ancestry of his coach at the time, William "Lone Star" Dietz. But a revealing story published two weeks ago in the Baltimore Sun, which focuses on new research by a California multicultural studies professor, discredits Dietz. Turns out he was a white man "who began taking on an Indian identity as a teenager and ultimately seized the past of a vanished Lakota tribesman and made it his own." The coach was convicted of misrepresenting his identity on military draft documents. So there was no American Indian for which the team was named, just a perpetuated stereotype of the time. If the term "Redskins" was first used in the late 1580s, as the team says, it was also used when Europeans introduced commercial scalping to North America. Ask Suzan Harjo, the Cheyenne and Muskogee writer who is the lead plaintiff in a trademark lawsuit against the team dating from 1992. In a telephone interview and a recent article, she gives a much more disturbing historical description than the one the team wants you to believe: "When they started paying bounties for Indian bodies and Indian skulls as proof of an Indian kill, the trappers and mercenaries would come in with wagons full of men, women and children's bodies and with gunny sacks of heads. It became a transportation and storage problem, so bounty payers began to pay for scalps in lieu of skulls and bloody red skins in lieu of bodies." I recently asked some of the Redskin players how they felt about the name. "It's hard for me to understand because our people weren't treated like that," said Joe Salave'a, whose ethnicity is Samoan. "But if that's how [American Indians] feel, it's something that needs to be dealt with." "I understand the people who may have those complaints," said Ray Brown, the team's 42-year-old offensive lineman, who is black. "If I can assist them in any way, I would." In an authentic, modest act of sensitivity, Brown tries not to refer to the team name in conversation. "I don't tell people I play for the Redskins," he said. "I just tell them I play for the 'Skins. When I sign autograph items, I do the same thing. I put 'Skins. It's my thing. I'm not saying everyone else should do it, but that's what I do." Chad Morton, the former Washington kick returner who signed with the New York Giants this month, remembered seeing all the anti-nickname protesters before a team banquet in Virginia. "I use to look at them and think, 'Why don't you guys do something else with your time?' " he said last year. "Now I look at them and think they're right. I mean, if you look at that logo and you really think about the name, it is racist." In July, Native American groups won another chance to challenge trademarks encompassing the name and logo of the team. Last month, the team and the NFL filed a motion to rehear that decision. You know how Snyder feels about the controversy? Ask his spokesman, Karl Swanson. "I know a guy who wants to paint the Redskins logo on the bottom of his swimming pool," Swanson said on a recent voice mail. "So he clearly has no problem there." Don't they realize some folks feel the same way about the Confederate flag, the way others used to feel about Amos and Andy, about putting on black face? Until time told them they were wrong, that they should have known better. I asked Swanson again to clarify the team's position over the phone on Monday. He said the team researched it, that neither he nor Snyder is responsible for the meanings and usage that came afterward. So, Swanson was asked, if the team were called the Washington Negroes or the D.C. Rabbis, there would be no public outrage. "I don't know," he said. I understand the logo is undeniably a cultural symbol to thousands. When parents buy their children bedspreads and rain ponchos with the team's insignia on it -- as Snyder's parents did for him -- it becomes part of your life experience, a piece of personal history. But it's not your history. It's not your cultural symbol. It never was. You co-opted it, seized someone else's identity and made it part of your own. When Native people try to explain that, you should listen -- just as you would listen when a black person tells you they don't appreciate the term "colored," just as you would listen when a well-educated person from Morgantown tells you it's no longer funny -- it never was -- to paint West Virginians as toothless, moonshine-sipping hayseeds.
I agree with his motions. Names like Redskins and Braves would be akin to having a team called N***ers or Slaves and having a African-American mascot.
When they started paying bounties for Indian bodies and Indian skulls as proof of an Indian kill, the trappers and mercenaries would come in with wagons full of men, women and children's bodies and with gunny sacks of heads. It became a transportation and storage problem, so bounty payers began to pay for scalps in lieu of skulls and bloody red skins in lieu of bodies. When they started paying bounties for Indian bodies and Indian skulls as proof of an Indian kill, the trappers and mercenaries would come in with wagons full of men, women and children's bodies and with gunny sacks of heads. It became a transportation and storage problem, so bounty payers began to pay for scalps in lieu of skulls and bloody red skins in lieu of bodies. When they started paying bounties for Indian bodies and Indian skulls as proof of an Indian kill, the trappers and mercenaries would come in with wagons full of men, women and children's bodies and with gunny sacks of heads. It became a transportation and storage problem, so bounty payers began to pay for scalps in lieu of skulls and bloody red skins in lieu of bodies. When they started paying bounties for Indian bodies and Indian skulls as proof of an Indian kill, the trappers and mercenaries would come in with wagons full of men, women and children's bodies and with gunny sacks of heads. It became a transportation and storage problem, so bounty payers began to pay for scalps in lieu of skulls and bloody red skins in lieu of bodies.
Names like Redskins are offensive. Names like warriors, or a particular tribe should not be banned. That is beyond any scope of rational reasoning.
Washington changed their name from the 'Bullets' to the 'Wizards' ~ people felt 'Bullets' was somewhat offensive since the murder rate in DC was so high. 'Bullets' seems much less offensive than 'Redskins' IMHO.
I agree that names like Redskins is wrong, but that guy has done absolutely no research about Florida State. "Hollywood regalia"??? The Seminole tribe designed that costume themselves. This was on Outside the Lines like 2 weeks ago. They talked about Stanford and how they were the Indians, but native americans on campus started speaking out and refered to the mascot as Uncle Tomahawk. You look at the old memorabilia and it's the caricature of a native american with a long nose. So they changed it on their own. Florida State looked into their mascot in the 70s as well and went to the Seminole tribe in Florida. They had the same problems with an offensive caricature of a native american, so the Seminole tribe worked with them and changed things including designing the costume that the warrior wears. The tribe and the school have a relationship and the tribe even participates in graduation every year.
So Now it is ok. If the Seminoles have no issue with it. . then I do not [thought Other Native Americans may] Are there still Spartans in Greece? Rocket River
Interesting article from the Chron: http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/college/3347276 Sept. 10, 2005, 8:51PM 'Halfbreeds' OK in Alaska Remote village school raises little ire in wilderness Copyright 2005 Houston Chronicle ANCHORAGE, ALASKA - The NCAA's attempt to ban Indian mascots, logos and nicknames from postseason tournaments was met with ridicule and resistance, and that move involved only 18 universities scattered around the country. Imagine what would happen if some group tried a similar move in Alaska's high schools, where there are seven teams named the Warriors, three the Braves and one that proudly calls itself the Halfbreeds. The Aniak Halfbreeds come from a village of 532 people 317 miles west of Anchorage. It is accessible only by air or riverboat and is 73 percent native. Students approved the nickname in the late 1970s as a nod to the community's origins — white settlers who intermarried with Yu'pik Eskimos, said Wayne Morgan, a graduate and the school board president. Aniak gets calls when there are headlines elsewhere about nicknames deemed offensive. "We see it as who we are, but not as other people hear it for the first time," Morgan said. "It sounds offensive, but we don't see it that way. It's who we are." According to Alaska's official Web site on communities, a homesteader, Tom L. Johnson, in 1914 opened a store and post office at the site, which had been abandoned by Yu'pik people. Eskimos Willie Pete and Sam Simeon brought their families from Ohagamuit to Aniak. A trader, Semen Lukin, discovered gold nearby in 1932. The school had different nicknames before the late '70s. "How it started was, our name before that was the Apostles. The girls had their own name, the Angels," Morgan said. "A group of kids at that time changed it to the Halfbreeds. It was up to the kids." The symbol of the school is a traditionally dressed Alaska Native man holding a spear next to a white man holding a rifle.
I think that pretty much ends the discussion of the Seminole nickname. AGAIN. What is sad is that in 1992 (the same year we decided that the 500th anniversary of Columbus Day should we celebrated with guilt) this was brought up and the Seminole nation said "hey, we're cool with this." and they explained the whole think Oski just posted. Nice research, Mike Wise. Redskins...not a good name. Negroes....not a good name. Rabbis???? Um...thats not a slur.