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Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by KellyDwyer, Jun 20, 2007.

  1. smoothie

    smoothie Jabari Jungle

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    i'd probably start off reading everything written about the top 5 or 10, after that it would seem to get too long and i'd probably start skimming.
     
  2. BenignDMD

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    So it looks like KellyDwyer went ahead and wrote the article. I just saw it on cnnsi. Heres the link

    Rankings

    He's got Morey at #16

    Daryl Morey, Houston Rockets
    Pluses: Made no bones about his statistical bent when hired by the Rockets to work as an apprentice to longtime GM Carroll Dawson for a year. Since taking over this offseason, he fired coach Jeff Van Gundy, who was unable to come up with an offense to get his Rockets past the first round, and stole an unhappy Mike James from the Timberwolves for Juwan Howard, who is likely to fade from here on out. The Rockets are short on depth, so Morey's hiring of coach Rick Adelman is a good thing because Adelman won't use a 10-man rotation even if Dwyane Wade and Kobe Bryant were the third- and fourth-string shooting guards.

    Minuses: James could have been a Rocket last summer, without giving up Howard, had the Rockets granted James (who had played for six teams in five years) the trade kicker he sought.

    Bottom line: With Tracy McGrady and Yao Ming combining to make anywhere between $32 to $39 million over the next three years, the Rockets need to focus on limited-cost players who get the job done without needing a lot of minutes or shot attempts. Morey is the right guy to find those contributors. One problem: Can he persuade his ownership group to let him go above the luxury tax to chase San Antonio and Dallas?
     
  3. AstroRocket

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    I've seen this article posted on many b-ball boards around the net. Looks like we were right. :)
     
  4. piggy

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    I'll read anything in the off-season.
     
  5. KellyDwyer

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    I have to come on and thank you guys for the help on this -- it went a long way towards letting this column see the light of day. Seriously. Also, my HD crashed last week, Dell has been dragging its heels on a replacement, so I've been w/o internet and had no way to CF.net it up. That said, thanks for the help, hope you dig it ...
     
  6. xiki

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    You did fine w/it. One question: shouldn't guys like Morey and Presti have been unranked for the present? It left me feeling the subjective might have been too ... something.
     
  7. KellyDwyer

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    Morey's fingerprints are all over the Battier trade, which I thought was crap at the time and have been proven a moron because of it. And Presti's scouting acumen helped bring in Parker and Mahinni. The idea behind their positions in the list (and Kerr's, and Wallace's, for that matter) would be -- "if you're a fan of Team X, who would you rather have introduced as your new GM tomorrow; Sam Presti, or Danny Ferry?" Most, I think, would take Presti.
     
  8. SamFisher

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    Well, just for that expression of gratitude, not only am I going to click on your article again, but I'm going to click some banner ads posted in it. Mycokerewards.com, here I come!
     
  9. doublebogey

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    The column totally sucks. If you want to compare something, at least establish some standards for your comparisons. One paragraph vs another paragraph. I'll call this random ranking. Tell me why Joe Dumars is not No. 2?
     
  10. dntrwl

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    Detroit is not number 2 because they drafted Darko, traded him for money for B-Wallace who went to Chicago..They are in the East and can't get to the finals lately. Pretty sure Dallas sells out every game. Sure Dallas didn't get out of the first round this year, but I bet Detroit could've lost to any team in the West in the playoffs this year as well.
     
  11. peleincubus

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    pretty classy man
     
  12. KellyDwyer

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    The standards for the column are set in the lede. I ranked all the GMs, for June 26th 2007, based around whether or not you'd want the GM in question running your favorite team. Does this guy excite, or enervate you? If Dumars takes over your favorite team tomorrow, you're pretty damn excited. A year from now, after the Pistons fall apart a bit, you're not as excited.

    Actually, I don't know why I even responded to this. Your post made no sense.
     
  13. VesceySux

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    Kelly, Adam Wexler on 610 KILT (radio) in Houston talked about your column last night on his show. You're famous! :)
     
  14. xiki

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    The question could have been 'Ferry...or the field'? Danny has proved to be his own self's equal on the court and in the front office.

    All that said, fingerprints all over a deal does not equate to final say for a deal. I, and many of us on the Board, believe in the Battier deal but remain absolutely convinced more could have been shoehorned from The Logo. Where are you on this issue? (JW's preening at the acquisition announcement offended my sensibilities, and I didn't know I had any! He believed he had fleeced CD et al [tho look at his success in dumping Stro! Oh, and his Lotto visit...])

    I forgot Kerr, but I assumed Wallace's body of work allowed him to be ranked (according to my biases on the article).

    I'm not carping at your efforts, I am just not on board w/those three getting ranked - prior to one year hence.
     
  15. Smokey

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    If it's updated after the draft, Morey should get bumped down. He's no 16.
     
  16. JeeberD

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    I find it interesting that 12 out the 15 bottom ranked GMs are former NBA players, while only 6 of the top 15 are former players...
     
  17. doublebogey

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    Can anybody see the standard Kelly is talking about? Hey, I can only see a 3 paragraphs of: pluses, minuses, and 'bottom line' for each GM. If you favour a GM, you can make the pluses bigger, minuess smaller, then try to make the 'bottom line' conclusion sounds sensible.

    The results of a GM job can be easily reflected in 3 factors of his team:
    -playoff results
    -regular season results
    -cap space management.
    You can set up a system to grade them if you want.

    All the talks of:
    - a few good trades versus a few bad trades;
    - a few good FA sign ups versus a few bad FA sign ups;
    - a few good draft picks versus a few bad draft picks;
    - a good coach hiring versus a bad coach hiring;
    are reflected in the team's regular season results and playoff results.

    The regular season results in recent years of the Mavs and the Pistons are comparable.

    But Joe Dumars have basically rebuild the Pistons in a short period of time. The result is 1 championship, 1 final, and another 3 conference finals. Under Dumars, the Pistons are cap responsible. Will the Detriot Piston break down tommorow? I guess not. The Pistons are doing some tweaks for sure. But with the young talents they have in the pipeline and their veteran starters, the Pistons will still be a elite team in the East for many years.

    And what have Donnie Nelson done? IIRC, the Mavs have 1 final, 1 conference final and a recent 1st round playoff exit. The Mavs are over the cap for many years. So how could Donnie Nelson be No. 2?

    If you set up any votes to rank the GMs, will Donnie Nelson rank No. 2? I highly doubt Nelson is even top 5.

    Talking about make sense!?
     
  18. KellyDwyer

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    I'm guessing that English isn't your first language, so I'll try and simplify this:

    Write your own damn 21-page, 11,000-word column on the subject, see if anyone buys it, let it try and hold up after a week's worth of edits and cuts, and we'll talk.

    This has devolved into an opinion argument over who gets ranked by what number (the last and least important thing in the entire column -- the actual insight and background information is what counts, and the numbers are for TRL-types), and I see no point in continuing to discuss it beyond this point.
     
  19. seclusion

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    great job kelly, ignore the idiot. there's always a ton of them, darwin's theory doesn't really hold up anymore, unfortunately.

    with that said, I figured morey would be in the lower rung since technically he's only been the gm for a month or two. also you mentioned that it may have been better if we had kept juwan while retaining james, but it seems like overall sentiment is that we wanted to get rid of juwan and adding james only served as icing on the cake.

    like I said though, great job. I'm interested to know how many total hours you spent on writing it, including research.
     
  20. Sherlock

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    we're proud of you over there, Kelly ... :)

    ... love that you post here!
     

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