more info -- Public Option Support Surging In Senate [edit] word is Reid has 53 votes now for reconciliation. 57 if it's the Medicare option instead.
you are aware that Mass already has public option correct... and it's citizens don't like it... if not you should read this http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...consider_state_s_health_care_reform_a_success
do you think reconciliation is a good idea? i'm serious what are your feelings on it? do you think that when national poles say that the majority of americans don't want the public option that it should be forced on them? I'm serious with these questions I'd like to see your opinion. one last question do you think that it is even constitutional to pass a healthcare bill through reconcilliation? is it a budget plan?
you're really not helping yourself from your link 51% favor the national plan proposed by President Obama and Congressional Democrats. Forty-seven percent (47%) of Massachusetts voters oppose that plan. The people of MA are disappointed in their plan because it doesn't go far enough
The reason a majority of Americans are not pleased with the healthcare bill is because the public option was removed. There can be no dispute that a majority of Americans WANT a public option. Yes, I think the bill should be passed by reconciliation. If Bush can pass two tax cuts with it, than surly the country can stand this. Is it a budget plan? Of course it is! All studies have shown that universal healthcare would lower the deficit. In fact the CBO projects that a healthcare bill with a public option would be the biggest "tax cut" in US history.
how come you cut the quote in half? you took that completely out of context. It says that the reason it is 51% to 47% is because of the strong Democratic leanings of the state.. infact the exact quote is. Given the strong Democratic leanings of the state, it is no surprise that Massachusetts voters are quite a bit more supportive of the President’s plan than voters nationwide. come on man you seem very intelligent. don't try and change what the article says.. NO WHERE in the article does it say that people in Mass feel like the healthcare plan doesn't go far enough.. what it says is that more people think that it is more expensive than don't 31% - 29%, more feel like the quality of healthcare has decreased than feel it has gotten better 24% - 16%. and more people think it has been a failure than think it has been succesful. 36% to 32%. Disagree with me if you like but come on man you can't deny those numbers, they are right there in front of you.
again show me some facts.. I give you mine... Health Care bill is not a Budget Plan. Come on man you are better than this.
Again these facts are easily available to those that want to know them. I can't help you if you choose to remain ignorant.
Oh and here is a link to back this up too... enjoy http://www.politico.com/livepulse/0210/The_trouble_with_reconciliation.html
you know your refusal just shows that they don't exist.. you would be chomping at the bit to prove me wrong if the data supported what you are saying.. the trouble is, it doesn't.. enjoy your evening.
so be it bring it [edit] I'd love to see republicans filibuster for 6 days on why 30 million Americans shouldn't be covered with some sort of healthcare or why a pregnant woman shouldn't be covered by healthcare because of a "pre-existing" condition.
Oh and btw it also explains why W's tax cuts expired too... interesting read actually especially since it comes from politico, and has former Sen Dove in there who helped write the Reconciliation act.
The purpose of a minority party is to influence legislation from the majority party and pull it to the center. If, instead, they just try to obstruct and do nothing, there's no incentive for the majority party to care what they think. Thus, you have this exact situation. If they do go the reconciliation route - and I don't know that they have any other option - they might as well add the public option back since they only need 50 votes. It also makes it much easier to pass in the House.
Or you could read the 18 other threads on this forum where all the facts have been provided countless times. If you choose not to read and learn for yourself, that's up to you - but it's you who ends up misinformed.
true.. you should read the article I posted about reconciliation though.. it seems like it would be nearly impossible to happen.. even a former Dem Senator and co-author of the Reconcilation Act says it wouldn't be anywhere near the bill that would be proposed. I believe his exact quote was that the Republicans would be able to make "swiss cheese" out of the bill.
Absolutely - that's going to be the tricky part. Only certain things can be done through reconciliation. A lot of the regulation-type stuff passed in the previous Senate Bill, and since that stuff is not budgetary, it can't really go through reconciliation. What's going to be trickiest is whether they can overlay a reconciliation bill that is just budgetary stuff on top of the Senate Bill and then have the House pass both of them. I have no idea if this will be possible or not. It also gives a whole lot of power to the parliamentarian - I have no idea who that is or how much control Democrats have over him/her. But it seems like his decisions are binding, so he kind of has the ability to decide a lot of what can and can't be done.
something's going on -- Bayh Open To Reconciliation For Health Care Reform Retiring Senator Evan Bayh (D-Ind.) left open the door to supporting the use of reconciliation to pass health care legislation, though he did not address whether the parliamentary procedure should be used to pass a public option for insurance coverage. In a Thursday interview with NPR, the Indiana Democrat, who will not seek reelection in 2010, said that he would be comfortable using reconciliation. But only if it was clear that no Republican votes (which are needed for passage outside of the reconciliation process) were forthcoming. "It may be that that has to be ultimately resorted to because something to improve health care is better than nothing," he said.
here we go baby! Obama to Offer Health Bill to Ease Impasse as Bipartisan Meeting Approaches President Obama will put forward comprehensive health care legislation intended to bridge differences between Senate and House Democrats ahead of a summit meeting with Republicans next week, senior administration officials and Congressional aides said Thursday. Democratic officials said the president’s proposal was being written so that it could be attached to a budget bill as a way of averting a Republican filibuster in the Senate. The procedure, known as budget reconciliation, would let Democrats advance the bill with a simple majority rather than a 60-vote supermajority. --------------- “It will be a reconciliation bill,” one Democratic aide said. “If Republicans don’t come with any substantial offers, this is what we would do.” Officials said that the White House would post the president’s plan on the Internet by Monday morning.
