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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Batman Jones, Sep 13, 2009.

  1. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    they should've never been lowered in the first place, we really wasted the last eight years

    I know this isn't really what you're arguing but I think the point must be stressed
     
  2. uolj

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    It's not only because that's easier, though. Part of it is because high earners have had their tax rates lowered much faster in recent decades than everybody else. So while it might be easier in general to tax the wealthy than to tax the rest, in this case it's more than that. It should be easier for the wealthy to pay more since they were paying much more not that long ago.

    And of course, the people hit by this proposed tax are a tiny percentage of the overall population, and they are the tiny percentage that have reaped the vast majority of income gains over the last 30 years or so. So progressives see it as a way of funding reform and a way of slowing the income growth rate gap.
     
  3. juicystream

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    Would you let them expire, knowing that it will raise taxes on all those who pay taxes, and decrease the refunds that many who don't pay receive? Would you renew some of them, and not others?
     
  4. wakkoman

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    Thank you.

    The rich say the poor need to work harder or manage their finances better, while the poor say the rich need to pay more taxes. If any of those two groups were in the others' shoes, they'd most likely be singing a different tune.
     
  5. uolj

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    Honestly, I think this is completely wrong. I know of a lot of poor people who are offended by a progressive tax system, and I know of a lot of rich people who think the rich should pay more.

    Sure, some people might have their position be influenced by their economic status, but I think most are not. It's just an easy claim to make.
     
  6. bigtexxx

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    typical liberal thinking...."taxes should have been higher". :rolleyes:

    If you think taxes should be higher, how about you step up to the plate and up your contribution to the government to show you mean it.
     
  7. GladiatoRowdy

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    They can groan all they want, but we have a progressive tax system in this country, so the rich pay more.
     
  8. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    you're right, we should pay no taxes
     
  9. Depressio

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    What a load of self-righteous horse****.

    Yeah, all the poor are socialists and all the rich are Ayn Rand fans. :rolleyes:
     
  11. gifford1967

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    Are you still avoiding military recruitment offices like a bad case of the clap?
     
  12. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Have you heard the anti-reform advertisements about the insidious AARP just trying to maximize their own profits at the expense of their constituents? "They may call themselves a non-profit, but what are they really?" It's pretty awesome in an Beck-ian/Orewellian sort of way.
     
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  14. Depressio

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    Questions are being asked, right? They must respond!
     
  15. Deckard

    Deckard Blade Runner
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    Typical post by a mis-informed "conservative" regarding taxes. Just in case you hadn't noticed, let me remind you that we are fighting two wars. Two wars, thanks to your hero, George W. Bush. It should have remained the war in Afghanistan, that war alone, along the the constant war we fight against terrorism around the world. The war underfunded, our people under equiped, with too few boots on the ground, thanks to Mr. Bush, the GOP, and people like you. Bush, who along with an eager Republican controlled Congress, cut taxes, again and again, while we were fighting both wars. An incredible act of stupidity never done before in the history of this country, to my knowledge, until Bush and the Republican Congress did it, multiple times. Cutting income into the Treasury while we fight two wars, increasing the deficit and providing less money to enlarge our fine military, equip and train them, and reduce the deficit.

    Honestly, how can you say this excrement with a straight face? You probably don't. You probably sit there in front of your keyboard, deliriously laughing like a person mentally challenged (not that you possibly could be!), while you spew the absurd drivel we are constantly subjected to, not only from you, but from your little band of chattering buddies. Cutting taxes during a war. Such an abject lack of responsibility with the fate of the nation in the hands of the Republican Party went beyond the pale. It endangered our nation. It endangered our superb volunteer military. It endangered our economy. It endangered our standing in the world community. It did all that and more, with our country paying the price today and for generations.

    You and your friends should be ashamed. How you can stare in the mirror in the morning and not regurgitate at the sight of yourself, all of you, passes all understanding.



    Keep D&D Civil!

    (edited version provided for a concerned Batman)
     
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  16. Batman Jones

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    ^That wasn't very civil.
     
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    I am opposed to the public option because it is simply not enough and does not address the root problem. I am a conservative for the most part BUT when it comes to health care, universal coverage is a human RIGHT in a so-called civilised society. A government should provide public services and health care is probably the 2nd most essential pillar of public services that the government should provide, succeeded only by national defense and the establishing of law and order in society. So single-payer is the only option I would vote for, I do not believe in happy mediums, I do not think this is an issue to compromise on either. I will admit the GOP are dead wrong on health care in America.
     
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  18. Deckard

    Deckard Blade Runner
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    Do you have a problem with it?
     
  19. Batman Jones

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    No, I just thought it was uncharacteristically harsh.
     
  20. Deckard

    Deckard Blade Runner
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    It's not anything I haven't said before. You should have seen it before I did a little editing.
     

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