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Probability Question - help?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by huypham, Oct 29, 2007.

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  1. huypham

    huypham Member

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    This problem has been bothering me all day.

    Basically the idea is that you're playing russian roulette and you put 1 bullet in one of 5 chambers and you spin once in the beginning (and only once). you're playing by yourself. what's the probability you die in the first three pulls?

    my inner mathematician says it's not 60%, b/c the events are interrelated, but i cannot explain myself (been too long).
     
  2. WWR

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    I don't recommend you try it.
     
  3. Kimble14

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    It is 60%, because you only spin once. Label the chamber it stops on as 1, then next one as 2, etc. You'll die in 3 pulls if and only if the bullet is in chamber 1, 2, or 3.

    If you respun after each pull, though, your probability of death = 1 - (4/5)^3, or 48.8%.
     
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    I recommend you watch the French film 13 (Tzameti).
     
  5. huypham

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    thanks guys, you are right.

    i realize what my fallacy was. basically, this is from a court case that ruled that the kid that fired the gun 3 times in a row put his friend in a 60% chance of death.

    while 60% is true before you even start playing... it is not true once you have the knowledge that the first shot failed and the second shot failed. by the time you shoot the third shot, there are 3 chambers left and a 1/3 chance the third pull will be fatal.

    so the court should've gone w/ the 1/3 chance in their reasoning.
     
  6. Invisible Fan

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    I concur
     
  7. Bandwagoner

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    Yeah its alot easier problem then it first seems.

    No respin.
     
  8. rocketfat

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    the chance that the bullet is in the chamber is 48.8%. the chance of death is probably slightly less, if we factor in being left in a vegetative state.
     
  9. yaoluv

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    50%

    it either happens or it doesnt

    duh
     
  10. wizkid83

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    Edit: NM, I read and did the problem wrong :mad:
    The set up of the problem was right but misread the number of chambers (aren't most guns 6 shooters?). 60% chance he dies in the first 3 pulls. 1 -(.8*.75*.666666)
     
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    There's a 100% chance you're crazy if you happen to be the one playing the "game."
     

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