Lets look at the bright side of signing MO TAYLOR. We could get a guy, who turns into a good PF, then we can sign him big time next season. Worst Case- He sucks this whole year, and we go to the lottery. We get a solid lottery pick, and we have lots of cash next year. I kinda see this as a no loose opportunity so, What the hell i say go for it. ------------------ www.ScottiePippen=Sissy.com
Mango, I believe DaDakota was right. We need a bigger, and sharper Police Squad. ------------------ The Serious Police are watching. Follow the rules or be assimilated. Shandon is underrated.
With KT though we hammer the Spurs and impress Timmy D. ------------------ please venture to atheistalliance and rocketsonline I AM SPARTACUS
Positive Vs. Negative... ...the age old battle. When will it ever end? Can't positive and negative just make up and be friends? ...sorry...that was dumb. ------------------ Doink!
I read that his career high was 20 rebounds. That cant be a fluke, rebounds aren't like points. That shows that when he has the desire he can rebound. ------------------
I was tempted to start yet another thread on Mo Taylor, but we have quite, quite enough. Summary: Signing Mo to a one-year deal doesn't seem like it gets us anywhere in championship building because he is very likely to leave for the highest bidder and will have no loyalty to his new team. We don't need short-term solutions because it will only hurt our draft. The only way to get value out of him is to have his bird rights -- which would give us the edge in keeping him long-term or make him a tradeable commodity -- and we can only do that by sign-and-trading with the Clippers. That seems unlikely due to intransigence by both Falk and the Clips and is very risky because of what Taylor/Falk expect to receive and what Taylor is capable of producing. So I think we need to pass on him simply because he is too risky an investment. Argument: 1) Taylor turned down a long-term deal with the Raptors to consider taking less money on a short-term deal with the Sonics or Rockets. This indicates that he wants to coast for this season so he can try again for big dollars next offseason when he only has to compete with Webber and Finley for big dollars. 2) We will have some cap money most likely next season if we sign Mo to the mid-level exception for one year. So we can participate in the bidding war for his services. 3) Mo Taylor does not intend to show any loyalty to whatever team he signs with this year. His behavior with the Clips and the Raps along with his desire for a 1-year deal demonstrate that. That team will not have bird rights on him. So we're no more likely to keep him as a permanent solution than anyone else. 4) At least we'll be able to see how he gels with the team and if he'll work in our offense, if he can be a decent rebounder, and if he is a cancer. 5) He will make our team better for next season, thereby worsening our draft position, with little promise that he will be here long-term. In championship building, the net effect of signing him for a year and then losing him to free agency is a step backward (or a smaller step forward). 6) If we sign Mo, we won't get another FA with that exception that we will be able to sign for 3 or more years and be part of our rebuilding. 7) If, on the other hand, we are somehow able to convince the Clippers to sign and trade him to us (for draft picks?) then: a) we'd have him longer. b) we'd have his bird rights, so chances are good he'd stay with us for good. c) we could trade him. 8) But, the downside is: a) We'd lose our exception. b) If Falk doesn't want him signing at market value with the Raptors, why would he want him signing with us for the same amount? c) Likewise, why would the Clips want to do the Rockets or Mo any favors now that they are loaded and especially after the way Falk/Mo treated them. c) It is far from guaranteed that he'll be any good for us. He's certainly someone you don't want to overpay for our give up too much in trade for. ------------------ Rockets Draft Obligations Summary http://www.gaffordstudios.cjb.net/
JV-Are we reallly gone get someone better with the exception? Or anyone close? 3) Mo Taylor does not intend to show any loyalty to whatever team he signs with this year. His behavior with the Clips and the Raps along with his desire for a 1-year deal demonstrate that. That team will not have bird rights on him. So we're no more likely to keep him as a permanent solution than anyone else. Correction on the Raps: Mo was all ready to sign, that was a David Falk thing. And Mo then freaking called out David Falk, that takes some nerves. In the transpiring days, Toronto took back their offer (mainly because of Falk) leaving Mo still unsigned. Basically, IMO, if Mo comes, and this team gels, everyone's happy, etc. he won't want to leave to the highest bidder necessarily (assuming our offer would be competitive with it). I'd be happier with Mo if he kicked Falk to the curb, that'd make things a lot easier. ------------------ The Serious Police are watching. Follow the rules or be assimilated. Shandon is underrated.
Nike, First, no we won't get anyone close to as good as Taylor with that mid-level exception. But I'd rather get someone who was worse for 3 years than get Taylor for 1. Since we're not competing for the championship, I'd rather not temporarily inflate our record so that Taylor can float to a bigger contract. I'd be fine with a 3-year deal with a 4th year option so that he can opt out when he has bird rights and is a real commodity for us. Anything else is a one-night stand. Correction on the correction: he had agreed in principle until Falk had intervened, but Falk cannot nix the deal by himself. He advised Taylor to withdraw and Taylor complied. He could have signed with the Raptors anyway if he wanted. With the Raps and with the Rockets, he's following Falk's plan to maximize his profits. Falk is betting he'll get more than $6 million per year in the long run by coasting a year. By Taylor complying with Falk on turning down all that guaranteed money, he has bound himself to Falk's plan of trying again next year. That plan requires that he shows no loyalty. I think the Raptors offer is pretty close to what Taylor actually deserves. If he wants to try for the max next year, I don't know that we should bother with him. ------------------ Rockets Draft Obligations Summary http://www.gaffordstudios.cjb.net/
Juan(not calling you out this is playing devils advocate), I agree that right now we are not necessarily a championship team..i agree that with mo taylor we will not be a championship team.. but anything can happen...remember the year we came from a 6th seed? as things stand we are a lottery/8th/7th seed right? we can agree there... assuming we get taylor we would become an 8th, 7th, 6th seed...so playoff bound at least.. this is hakeems last stand and he still has one run in him( i hope) so if the chemistry hits everywhere else and mo provides a valuable piece in theory we could make a run at a title... yeah that is crazy but..i think we are not as far away from it as it seems...as long as we have hakeem i still think there is some hope..after we lose hakeem we would be less likely in my opinion then now..why not go for it now..? i understand the lottery pick implications or the fact that we wont have as much freedom financially but the prospect of signing webber next year to me is remote...there doesnt seem to be a lot of options down the road either..something is always better than nothing i would think... i understand down the road it may be a step back as you put it but we will be stepping back when we lose hakeem anyway (again this is assuming hakeem can be somewhat of his former self)so i think the time is now and anything we can do be it just a year.. should be addressed now... i am a sucker for instant gratification mind you so maybe i am not thinking long term enough..but i still believe in the carp diem type attitude... ------------------ i am rather like a mosquito in a nudist camp..i know what i ought to do but i don't know where to begin...
Sir, how dare you call me out! You know, I hadn't really thought about the implications on Dream's farewell tour. I would like to have a playoff berth for his sake before he goes out, and Mo would definitely bring us closer to that. I still think it would be a disservice to the team's future, but then so was not trading Dream to Toronto -- and that was worth it. Maybe it is partly that I don't like the character of Mo Taylor and so don't want to facilitate his payday. But mostly, I think a small commitment won't be rewarded and a big commitment will be a mistake. ------------------ Rockets Draft Obligations Summary http://www.gaffordstudios.cjb.net/
The Rock tribe have spoken more than 90% of the Rock fans favor getting Mo Taylor. Don't think 90% could be wrong. Bring on MO. ------------------
I wish we knew what was going on in the discussions. We basically have to assume Rudy asked all these things, and got answers he thought would benefit this team. I also agree that the Raptors deal was market value for him. The ideal situation would be a 2 year contract with a team option on the 3rd year, starting at the 2.25 mill. I can't remember any Falk players on the Rockets, also, on the Mo discussions, I can't recall any word about talking to his agent? The fact Mo put Falk on an ultimatum says a lot, I'm not sure they're seeing eye to eye at this point. If I'm Mo Taylor, I'm definitely upset with Falk. He swears up and down Mo'll be getting the max, and now it looks like he'll be signing for the exception, not to mention he basically turned down the offer Mo was gonna take. ------------------ The Serious Police are watching. Follow the rules or be assimilated. Shandon is underrated. [This message has been edited by NIKEstrad (edited August 10, 2000).]
Seeing as how we will have a lotta cap room next year, why would Mo Taylor not sign with us? Our coaching staff is one of the best. I remember Cato said that in Portland, the coaching staff wouldnt really do anything to help a player out. But in Houston, the coaches work with you on your weaknesses and try to make you a better player. This attitude and system should definately appeal to MO. We are a young and upcoming team, and Mo is a young and upcoming player. If things go smoothly this season(Mo plays well and gets along with everybody), then I see no reason why Taylor wouldnt sign with us if we had a competetive bid. ------------------ president of the dan langhi fan club.
