History lesson time: Caligula (Gaius Caesar) ruled Rome from 37 - 41 AD. The Roman Empire didn't even reach it's peak in size until 116 AD. Most historians point to late 400 AD as the beginning of the end of the Roman Empire. So I don't think Caligula had much to do with it. Actually, not that much is known about Caligula other than he most likely suffered from some mental imbalances. Historical accounts of him are very biased and sketchy at best. Refman, I understand what you want to say here, but just as the downfall of Rome was attributable to many factors, so too I don't think a country as strong as America will be brought to its knees by a simple challenge to the "Pledge of Allegiance"
This is a difficult subject actually. I have no problem with saying the pledge , and I believe in God. But I can see how some people might feel like they are having religion forced on them by having to say this . Maybe they should just go back to the old form of the pledge before Ike got a hold of it.
Because when people do something so lacking in common sense and forgetful of the founding principles of this country they simply must be called out for it.
Refman: The pledge wasn't even written until the late 1800's and it was originally a "pledge of peace" written as "I pledge allegience to MY flag" and was directed at "republics" like Sweden, England, etc. It was done for some type of international peace initiative. (heard the story today on the radio) Oh, and you and TRADECUTTINO need to chill a bit. I don't know where you guys are coming off with the attitudes, but civility is a key component to discussion around here and you guys are failing that lithmus test at the moment. Take it easy. It's just a BBS discussion.
This country is too PC. I should be able to pray whenever and wherever I want. I should be able to say the pledge of allegiance, just like you have the right to not stand and say it. It's not the responsibility of 3 judges to say what I can and can't do when it effects noone else. Screw the system. The system is broken because there are too many cowards in the system who are afraid to tick anybody off. Well screw them.
but as a child in grade school, i don't have the right to sit and not recite the pledge as everyone else does. that is the entire point. I am reprimanded and sent to the office if i don't follow along with the group.
Would you agree that it should be against the law for schools to require the pledge to be said then? I mean, say a kid refuses to stand for the pledge or the national anthem. Do they get detention? I agree that you should be able to do what you want, but does that extend to people who go against the majority?
Watch out there chuckie. The word coward is a red hot button to most liberals....... especially the draft dodgers.
Draft dodgers? In the immortal words of Sgt. Hulka (damn, quoting him twice in one day!): "Son, there ain't no draft no more."
We should have learned our lesson from 9/11. The more we turn our back on GOD - the less protection he will give this great nation built by him. Waiting for our next terrorist attack any day now. People this is not what America needs - if America wants to not have anymore terrorist attacks we need to pray for forgiveness and for his protection. GOD BLESS YOU ALL and may GOD BLESS THE NON-BELIEVERS.
What happened to this thread? Did I miss something? We were having a nice little typically opinionated discussion here on the BBS and suddenly it turned into: We must worship God or he will smite us and all liberals are baby-eating, America-hating draft dodgers??? Now, I've seen it all. Goodnight and have a pleasant tomorrow!
No more yes. Your right, no more draft. Now, lets go back to the LAST time this country did have a draft. Were you around then? Thats right, this is coming from someone that stated "the past never existed" lol... classic
That hasn't been the case since the forties. At least, it shouldn't be. No one can legally be compelled to recite the pledge.
Nice try Major. Need I remind you that the pillar of the Democratic party, Tom Daschle, called this ruling "nuts?" It would be quite easy to call me an oppressive conservative, but BOTH sides of the aisle hate this ruling. And this is relevent how? In case you didn't notice, I stated that this ruling is ridiculous. I just stated that your comments (which were totally irrelevent, since, as you pointed out, Democrats don't support this) are both ignorant and ridiculous. They use the exact same logic that kept conservatives fighting against civil rights and for slavery. Because when people do something so lacking in common sense and forgetful of the founding principles of this country they simply must be called out for it. You're not very bright, are you? As you pointed out IMMEDIATELY above, liberals think this is ridiculous too. Yet you blame them. Great thinking there.
No I wasn't. What the hell difference does it make? I've never seen a thread decend into such lunacy from such innocent beginnings so fast. Why are we discussing this in this thread? It has absolutely nothing to do with this thread. Second, I never said that the past "never existed". Try getting my quotes right. I said "it no longer exists" meaning it is over. Unless you have a time machine or some better understanding of physics than the rest of us, you are way off on this one. Finally, this thread has quickly become an example of a quote: If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull****. Points were made that were disproven. So, instead of discussing the merits of the actual case, you go off on a "draft dodger" "leftist" rant, which, of course, has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion at hand. Easier to try and derail the subject than to discuss the actual merits I guess.
