The Pacers a reshaping their roster. It seems that either Artest or Harrington can be traded. If they're interested in the services of Mobley, we can also trade him to them. They need a new shooting guard because Reggie's role is only a backup. I'm thinking of many scenarios: 1. Trade Mobley for Harrington straight up and then sign Stephen Jackson in order to replace Mobley's scoring. 2. Trade Rice and MObley for Artest or whatever combinations in order to get Artest's defense and hustle.He can also score if he wants to. I'm not sure if the salaries of the players involved match up well. Just thought of this idea. What do you think guys?
i love the way artest plays, but his behavior is questionable. maybe that would change on a new team with a new coach, but probably not. al harrington is somebody i'd love to have on our bench or starting at small forward but i wouldn't give up mobley for him. now if they want moochie, let's talk.
I think I would trade Mobley for Al Harrington straight up, switch Pike and Griffin to full time SG's, and make Harrington the starting SF. However, I do have a few concerns about Harrington. At times, he's looked like a tweener, and his range is questionable. When you have a dominant C, it's always best to have players who can SHOOT. I would probably feel much better about the trade if it were Mobley and Cato for Harrington, Jeff Foster, and Danny Ferry's contract. This would shave Ferry's 2M off our cap, and we would get a young starting SF as well as a fairly decent backup C with a cheap as hell contract. Yao/Foster MoT/Griffin Harrington/Rice/Boki Pike/Griffin Francis/Moochie That is a very big team too.
I suspect Harrington is on the block, considering how much Bird and Carlisle love Croshere, but I don't think I'd want to trade Mobley for him. Artest worries me, he's probably the best perimeter defender/ball hawk in the league, but I'm not sure we should add a crazy guy to our lineup. I would love to try to pull off a Pollard/Harrington/Ferry's contract for Cato/MoT trade, as it would be great for us cap wise, and we'd get about equal talent, but I don't see the Pacers doing it.
I would probably do this trade... well only the one where we get artest... the problem is Artest is cancer.. Point SAID.
why don't we trade Rice for Reggie straight up? Reggie could be a great influence in the locker room and a pure shooter to back up mobley. I don't think the Pacers would do that but they might since Rice's contract expires next season. what do you guys think?
What do I think? I think the trade threads need to stop! Shut up with the damn trade proposals already, Mobley needs to stay!
HAHA... i dont think that will ever stop... when new ppl come on lots of them the first thing they start is thread on a trade... I think i did it also but then i realized how stupid it was after a while... I wish they would stop also... Why not just make a trade subforum so when we come into this forum we wont have to see the trade threads... Trades are so unreasonable already... Trading GLEN for REGGIE... nope.. Reggie is declined already and besides we dont need another sg.... So i think most trades that are offered will only be rejected... I dont know.. I feel most Senior Members have more reasonable thoughts sometimes since yall been here for a while.
why wouldnt you trade Mobley for Harrington? Harrington is younger, will strenghten our biggest need at SF he scores rebounds play defense and is extremley athletic, on the other hand all Mobley does is take alot of shots and occasianly play defense. If i was CD and this trade was offred i would take it in heart beat!
Ron Artest is EXACTLY what the Rockets need. He's a 6'7" defensive minded two guard that is versatile enough to cover the three if needed. With bird in as team pres. and Issah out as coach there might be a shot at luring Artest away from the Pacers. With JVG as coach we have someone who has had problem players and been in situations to get them on the right track. Artest would give the Rockets the toughness and attitude to compete in the West combined with the ability to stop Kobe. IMO, Artest would create a buzz in the Rockets organization. Although it may be negative in some minds, once people see what he can bring I believe that will change. He would give us size in the backcourt, versatility, defense, energy and a tough attitude. Not to mention he was second in NBA Defensive MVP voting. Don't get me wrong, I like Mobely, but I would like him better in a Pacers uniform.
i would like to see mobley cato and moochie for harrington tinsley pollard and ferry. i know this trade cant happen till sep 24 but i would wait till then.
I like it. I like SAR better, but this is nice. Taller, younger, would need to earn shots. All positive. I think JVG would be great with Artest. I am a Mobely hata, of course, but that aside, I think we come out much better. We've got adequate insurance now to move him.
Originallly posted by pasox2 Adequate Insurance? I hope your not talking about Pike and Griffin. Yes Pike can shoot but he old, slow, can't defend, and can't handle heavy mins in the NBA anymore. Griffin CAN'T shoot and being one of the best defenders on the Mavs isn't saying much. Harrington is young and he is big but like someone else said earlier, his range is questionable and we can't trade one of our few shooters for someone who isn't automatic past 17ft. I really don't see where Mobes for Harrington signifigantly improves the team so it looks like more biased Mobley hating. Maybe, maybe EG for Harrington but the pacers won't do that unless we trick them into believing EG can play C in the league.
I would like to have Harrington as a 3 and would like to use Glen Rice contract as bait. Harrington makes about 5m a yr. Before the mercer deal, that was one of the trades I proposed involving Mercer and his contract, but if I could involve Rice for Harrington and Ferry, I would do it. Ferry's contract is at the end and now we would have our sf.
Career stats: Cuttino : 6'4" 210 lbs G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG 356 241 36.8 .434 .366 .843 .80 3.10 3.90 2.6 1.18 .43 2.18 2.30 17.4 A. Griffin : 6'5" 230 lbs 248 129 20.4 .442 .292 .779 1.30 2.60 3.80 1.7 1.15 .15 .81 2.30 5.3 The numbers are very similar, except for ppg. A.Griffin is playing with Dallas' big 3 - not really the same chance to ballhog his way to points like our friend cat. Cat gets 16 more min. Griffin shoots better for 2. Cat shoots better for 3, and better free throws. Rebounding a wash. Cat 1 more steal, i mo assist. Cat 2 more to. same fouls, cat more pts. You guys just really overvalue that ballhogging chucker. --------------------------------------- but, yeah, I was talking about Artest. He would be a great MadMax type defender for this team. 6'7" 246' of bodyguard for Steve. That guy can set a pick. I don't think Cuttino has ever set a pick. Harrington (6'9" 250lbs, shoots .445) could take Cat's goodshots. And then you've got Pike for spot situations and bombs. Sure, I'd be happy with that.
pasox2, you gotta be kidding me w/ those stat comparisons and that reasoning. Griffin averaged 5pts. a game b/c he played for the Mavs? I know your not saying he could come anywhere near 17 a game starting for us? He shoots better from inside the arc b/c he plays w/ a lot of players who get a lot of attention on D so he's wide open all the time. If Cuttino were the 5th or 6th option on a team and got the looks Griffin got he'd shoot 60% from the field. Hell he shoots better than Harrington and Harrington wasn't exactly the focul point of defences w/ the Pacers. You have to get a superior player if your gonna move Mobes, Harrington is not it. Artest is a little better but his shot selection isn't top notch either and the guys has serious mental problems. Homey did apply to work at Best Buy after his rookie season in Chicago. Trading a good SG for another good SG still leaves us w/ a hole at the SF spot.
