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Out on Eddie :(

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by crash5179, Nov 1, 2002.

  1. TheReasonSF3

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    Rashard played the first 2 games of the season and is averaging 15 points per game. We would be better if we had him. We aren't trolls. We are just stating our opinion on 1 bad trade and 1 bad non-trade. If we can't criticize the Rockets for disicions that they make, then this doesn't make it much of a BBS forum.
     
  2. ricerocket

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    Exactly what I did too...
     
  3. TheReasonSF3

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    Well then how am I a troll if you are doing "exactly what I do"?
     
  4. ricerocket

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    I stated an opinion and you homered NJ. Jefferson wouldn't do squat on this team. You want to take on 70 million in Seattle's salary over EG's, when the guy needs shoulder surgery. I don't agree... :rolleyes:
     
  5. crash5179

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    You think I embarrassed myself because I have a different opinion on the development of Eddie Griffin than you?

    Because my expectations of Eddie Griffin are a lot higher than he has shown this season and pre-season you think I am worse than clueless?

    Because I have discussed what I believe to be a lack of development in Eddie Griffin’s game (and yes it concerns me for the Rockets sake) you think that this thread is just about me posting for the love of posting?

    Please don’t turn this thread into a personal vendetta against me. This thread is about my opinion on Eddie Griffin’s development and nothing else. If you have a different opinion and want to tell me that I am wrong then that is fine and that is your opinion. You can do that and talk smack while doing it if you want to and I will not get offended or you can just throw your opinions on the table and leave it at that…

    …Or you can choose to ignore the subject all together and take personal shots as Old Man Rock decided to do.

    It’s all up to you. Personally I don’t understand why you would choose the latter when most of us here have at least tried to stay on topic. I will not take any personal shots at you as you have done to me. If you are worried about me taking continued self gratification from over posting at the expense of the discussion then I would ask you one question, why are you posting off topic?

    If you don’t think my concern Eddie Griffin is worth discussing then that is fine. Don’t join in on the discussion. If you want to rip into me because you think a senior member should have a different opinion about Eddie then I would urge you to glance through the thread and see how many other senior members share my concern about Eddie. You will notice that we are not taking personal shots at other members (senior or otherwise) nor are we saying that Eddie will not someday live up to our expectations. Just that we are disappointed in his progress so far.

    If you have something against me because of my controversy with ricerocket then that is fine. I admitted to ricerocket that I was wrong and that I deserved all of the shots that I took but I never made it personal. Whatever the case you are most certainly right about one thing and that is that Clutch has an ignore button for a reason, I plan on using it as on you as soon as a make this post. Perhaps you should use yours on me.
     
  6. TheReasonSF3

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    How wouldn't he do anything on this team??? I would rather have an upcoming superstar's contract that a crummy lottery pick.
     
  7. ricerocket

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    Keep rooting for NJ and I'll stop posting on the NJ BBS now... :p
     
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  8. TheReasonSF3

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    I'm not routing for the Nets. I don't even like the Nets. I am just stating that we made a terrible trade to the Nets.
     
  9. NIKEstrad

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    I'm a big fan of Eddie, and I completely agree that Eddie has been very lackluster these first 2 games.

    Eddie looks completely different than he was in the preseason.

    I think he, as a guy that scores mainly based on how others do, has been hurt most by our complete inefficiency on offense. He's not getting the ball when he's open; he's getting it after Steve/Cat/Moochie recognize he's open, and by that time, he's covered. The only time he really look comfortable was that little turnaround in the first half from about 8 feet. That was the only time he got the ball in that range. He's been forcing stuff-he's at his best when he lets the game come to him, but things are not working well with the team. I'd tend to think his performance is partly a biproduct of our hideous play on offense, rather than the cause of it.

    Unless Eddie has a turnaround these next 3 games, I think Mo will become the starter. That might be good for Eddie to start relaxing and getting the ball more with the 2nd unit.
     
  10. TheReasonSF3

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    NikeStrand:
    If he can only score well when he is wide open, then he must not be that great of an offensive player.
     
  11. declan32001

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    I see. Eddie has never demonstrated an offensive game. His talents are journey-man level with some shot blocking and flukes like most of the pre-season and his game in L.A. last year don't mean squat. And you are right, they don't. If E. Griff. gets seriously injured tomorrow he's accomplished nothing. So we're arguing about the future here, right? He's 20 and age is not an excuse, it's a fact of life. Some twit brought up Magic as a reference point. Man life doesn't come cheap to most 20 year olds, and in the NBA nothing comes cheap until the refs. have seen you beat everybody in the league so badly you get the benefit of the doubt. That's what "superstars" are. Eddie has taken bad shots, he hasn't played well. The team looks chaotic right now. I'm not happy about that either.
    Some NBA people think Eddie may be the most talented guy on the team. An I'm unhappy with E. Griff. now thread with bombasts in every direction is cool. But there are 3 players on this team that show flashes of brilliance, and point to a possible championship(s). Steve may be approaching greatness even now, and he needs a team that I think he has. Just my opinion, but you take E. Griff. out of a championship equation then the Rockets probably don't even contend for the next three years.
    I think the trashing of Eddie is just as ridiculous as the national trashing of Yao. Hope is hell. Expectations are worse. It's been ugly so far. It's going to get worse after we beat some good teams and look like we have again. And it will happen. We have talent and the dreaded "upside". But if you watched the game last night and think Eddie wasn't a factor, then you're just a fan of stats. and frustrated of how he's played so far. And the Rockets played well in the 4th quarter against a bad team and they won an NBA game. When Eddie shows up he's something special and last night he was on the court. I'm glad about that. Rave on.
     
  12. TheReasonSF3

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    Eddie is only talented on defensive. How is he going to be great he he can't dribble and can't make any moves on the offensive end?
     
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  13. AroundTheWorld

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    Goodness, man, check what you are posting.
     
  14. TheReasonSF3

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    LOL. You are right. I am turning into my mother and grandmother. They always mix up words. LOL. My grandma calls me my dads name, my cousin's name, my uncle's name, and other people that I don't know's name. My mom does it too.
     
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    I think he's not confident to shoot but does so anyways. It's the fact that he's trying to do too much or he's nervous.
     
  16. NIKEstrad

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    Are you kidding? Lighting up the Lakers for 24-13-3 in basically your first game with decent PT as a 19 year old isn't any sign? Leading the preseason in blocked shots?

    Please don't tell me you're ripping Eddie without mercy in his 2nd year because he can't go to the hole as a PF like KT can, while at the same time going bezerk at someone questioning a "point guard" averaging 4.5 assists, and 6 turnovers?
     
  17. ChrisP

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    Nice take NIKEstrad.

    Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Griffin play guard just a few years ago. I would imagine the learning curve going from guard to power forward would be pretty steep. Thing is... every human being develops at a different pace - some faster than others. Comparisons to others who have developed faster than him don't really prove that he won't still reach great heights.

    I love this guy and still think he will be a terrific player but I have to agree that his play in the first two games leaves a lot to be desired. I just think it's a little early to judge his career.
     
  18. TheReasonSF3

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    No he played SF in college I believe.
    Nikestrand:
    He had one great game, but he hasn't shown anything since then. Remember when Oscar had 28 one game? That doesn't mean that he will be a superstar.
     
  19. ChrisP

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    I'm talking about high school. He only played one year of college ball.
     
  20. AroundTheWorld

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    Calm down. He had a streak of very good games last year - not only one game. He was extremely good over a streak of at least 10, 15 games.

    TheReasonSF3 (and crash), please stop panicking.

    Relax. Eddie will improve more and more.
     

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