k, I will be the lone defender of Oski then - I don't mind that. Oski has participated - he did make his pick in the draft thread. I can also confess that during the year I won my only WS with the Indians I didnt do anything with the team until after the trade deadline. So not posting a lineup is not unprecedented. And as I said - Oski has participated - and his team is doing good - why the need to post a new lineup? Maybe saying "I've got no changes"?
I guess this point need to be addressed - you never won ****, and that team of yours were not going to win anything soon. Until you do - shut up! (Oh I think I better add a smiley after that one) Would that suffice? AS of your 2nd point I do agree - BUT - we are far from the cutoff line for resigning players. And your criticism of Oski fires well below the belt considering Oski has posted in the new resigning thread asking about when he can start resigning his players. I think you should acknowledge that Oski is indeed partaking in the sim.
Haven't you been in EVERY season of the sim, Heath? That is a big difference compared to someone who is just starting. And I have already pointed out that Adams needs to be sent down to A and Ross brought up from AAA. But I have a novel idea - why not let Oski speak for himself instead of you or me? Would it really kill him to say "auto my lineup" or "I don't have time" or "Can someone help me with this stuff?" or blah blah blah (you get the point). And partaking ONLY in the draft thread hardly means he is participating, at least the way it was interpreted when haven ran the league. I swear I get the feeling that explaining advanced calculus or organic chemistry is easier than to explain this (which I have said several times): we had a rule that said that if you wanted to be in the league, you had to post a lineup (unless you are the commish). As I said in another post, we have somewhere down the line got lax on that. The farthest that I can go back and remember that is when Anticope said he wanted to be the Giants in the 2nd sim, so Zac went ahead and put him in as the manager. Of course, he never posted a lineup, but Zac continued to leave the Giants under the "phantom" Anticope control. Finally, when that team had lost all its free agents and was down to like 12 players total, including pitchers, did this weird experiment end. Ask DV how fun it was to try to rebuild the Giants - what should have taken probably at the most 3 seasons for an experienced manager like him took 6 seasons, maybe more, to get a competitive team. Having that happen was equivalent, IMO, of having a 2nd devestata in the league. Everybody was able to sign Giants players as FAs - everybody that is except the Giants team. The same thing *could* happen here with the Cubs. I don't want to see that happen and the point, Heath, is with Sammy back in the league, it should never happen. Oh and in this sim - Marlins made the playoffs 1 out of 3 times compared to the Cubs making it 2 out of 3 PLUS a league championship series berth. So, if that means that the Cubs haven't won ****, then what in the hell does that imply for the Marlins?
Haven't you been in EVERY season of the sim, Heath? That is a big difference compared to someone who is just starting. And I have already pointed out that Adams needs to be sent down to A and Ross brought up from AAA. Yeah, I have been in the sim every season, but that doesn't matter. You gave Oski all of 1 new sim before you decided to call him out. And Adams being in the majors and Ross not in AAA is not your call to make, it is Oski's. But I have a novel idea - why not let Oski speak for himself instead of you or me? Would it really kill him to say "auto my lineup" or "I don't have time" or "Can someone help me with this stuff?" or blah blah blah (you get the point). Well my novel idea is that you let more time pass before you attack someone who IS partaking in the sim for not posting a lineup. As I said it is not unprecedented. My take is he doesnt need to post "I have no changes" but now I kinda hopes he does so he satiesfies you. And partaking ONLY in the draft thread hardly means he is participating, at least the way it was interpreted when haven ran the league. Be careful with the ONLY's. I know Oski has posted in at least 3 if not 4 or more threads about the sim. I swear I get the feeling that explaining advanced calculus or organic chemistry is easier than to explain this (which I have said several times): we had a rule that said that if you wanted to be in the league, you had to post a lineup (unless you are the commish). Let me then be the first to tell you that we never had this rule, so you can stop claiming that we always did. You are using linear logic. It doesn't work both ways. Finally, when that team had lost all its free agents ... Oski has yet to lose a single FA. I don't know why you keep harping on this. Oski posted about resigning his players before you even decided to call him out. Lay off him now. About him partaking in this sim I have commish backing, in the most honourable Zachary D. You think Zac is wrong about this too? Oh and in this sim - Marlins made the playoffs 1 out of 3 times compared to the Cubs making it 2 out of 3 PLUS a league championship series berth. So, if that means that the Cubs haven't won ****, then what in the hell does that imply for the Marlins? I never said the Cubs haven't won ****. I said you had yet to win ****. As for the Marlins you got to be kidding me. I took control over the worst team in the sim when we started up this time (fan/revenues) and the fact that I even got into the playoffs this soon I'm pretty happy about. In the meantime you decided that the Cubs could go nowhere after having a much better team for 3 years, and broke them up. As for it being destined for glory - how would you know - when you are have yet to build a team to do anything with any of your 14 teams you have tried making into champs? On a seperate note - what took you so long to reply? You know how much fun this is, don't you? (As long as we both know the other one is just thrash talking)
I'm not sure what thread to put this in, but figured this would be as good as any. Chuck, out of the 10+ extensions I did last night, none of them are showing up... is there some kind of problem with the site/upload?
Heath, I am not really going to answer your long post because you fit things to your argument by taking them out of context (like the losing free agents was referring to the Giants not the Cubs - do yourself a favor and re-read my post before this one and see if I ever say "Oski or the Cubs will lose their free agents" - all I said with the Cubs is that it *could* happen). But I will say a couple of things: 1) Florida was not the worst team when it came to fan/revenue and you know that - ever hear of Tampa Bay or Montreal or Pittsburgh or Detroit or Kansas City? 2) When I get a team that has talent like my old D-Backs team or the Cubs, I instantly start looking at getting rid of players but at the same time trying to stay competitive. I do that, Heath, so PEOPLE like you can't whine and say "well, you only won because you inherited talent." Granted - maybe I should not do that since I have not made the WS yet, but it is more fun and satisfying to me to do it the way I have done it. I haven't really done that with San Diego because I am still trying to get a feel for them and they have sucked so far in this sim. 3) Are you saying that I am lying about the "posting a lineup rule"? If you are, then I guess haven is a liar, too, since he is the one that told me that requirement. Plus, I have seen it mention on this board before in the past that if you wanted to be in the league, you have to post a lineup. Me thinks you have been in it so long, that you have become senile or at least want to hear only what you want to hear. 4) I have class on Tuesday and Thursday nights plus a job that has got me busy right now, so as much as you have enjoyed this, I do have a LIFE. 5) I am not arguing anymore with you on this because you don't get it - the whole point of me starting this is that you have SamCassell who has run the Cubs, wants to run them again, but can't because we have someone that no one truly knows is really interested in this sim. If he was really interested, why has he NOT said anything? It is like Oski is enjoying this - sitting back at his computer, laughing at me and you because we have wasted all this time and bandwidth space about him. Well, guess what, Heath and Oski - this is my last post about it.
I am not really going to answer your long post because you fit things to your argument by taking them out of context Huh? Fitting things to my argument? Doesn't everyone state their position in an discussion/argument? I have yet to see you doing anything different. About me taking it out of context, name one thing. And before you bring out me talking about Oski's hasn't lost a single player to FA yet - I was under the impression it was Oski we was talking about, and it was YOU who stated that Oski had only done the draft when he clearly had been doing more. Wouldn't you say me bringing it up is then pretty obvious? 1) Florida was not the worst team when it came to fan/revenue and you know that - ever hear of Tampa Bay or Montreal or Pittsburgh or Detroit or Kansas City? I have, and I can only repeat what I said. I picked the team with the combination of least fan support/revenue/talent (players under contract). I know talent can be hard to compare from team to team, but trust me when I say that I checked who had the overall lowest in these categories and the lowest in one of the two that are directly comparable (I do not remember which). Why do I remember this - because it was the reason I had for picking a team. I had done Cleveland and their constant high revenues and fan support, I wanted to try the opposite. 2) When I get a team that has talent I instantly start looking at getting rid of players but at the same time trying to stay competitive. I do that, Heath, so PEOPLE like you can't whine and say "well, you only won because you inherited talent." If you really think I'm whining then I don't know what to say. Can you honestly point to me whining in an instance like this? I actually applaud the way you play the game and if I ever whines about anything it is when people tank and think it is a great feat that they get good players. Duh! Also - of course a game need to be played so you think it is fun and challenging -otherwise why play at all. So I wholeheartedly agree with that. 3) Are you saying that I am lying about the "posting a lineup rule"? If you are, then I guess haven is a liar, too, since he is the one that told me that requirement. Plus, I have seen it mention on this board before in the past that if you wanted to be in the league, you have to post a lineup. Me thinks you have been in it so long, that you have become senile or at least want to hear only what you want to hear. Well, something to the extent have been said. I have never denied that (and I didn't in the last post either, but I guess I didn't clarify enough). What I always took that 'rule' to be was you didn't have to ask haven/Zac/Castor/Chuck if you could join the league. If you posted a lineup for a computer team that team was yours. What I'm saying it was never a rule the other way - in that you had to post a lineup to get a team - maybe I have it wrong, but with all the players that was added in the league without posting a lineup (also under haven) I would say that there is precedence to my view: If you post a lineup for a computer team you claim them = true. You need to post a lineup to get a computer team = not true. 4) I have class on Tuesday and Thursday nights plus a job that has got me busy right now, so as much as you have enjoyed this, I do have a LIFE. And others don't? You know I was only riling you up previously, right? (And now) I completly understood why you did not reply sooner. 5) I am not arguing anymore with you on this because you don't get it - the whole point of me starting this is that you have SamCassell who has run the Cubs, wants to run them again, but can't because we have someone that no one truly knows is really interested in this sim. If he was really interested, why has he NOT said anything? It is like Oski is enjoying this - sitting back at his computer, laughing at me and you because we have wasted all this time and bandwidth space about him. Oh, I dont get it? You previously asked why I did not let Oski speak for himself on this matter. I ask you - why don't you let SamCassell speak for himself in this matter. If he really wanted/needed Cubs to be a part of the sim (the current sim is not even the sim he was in and the team is nothing like what he had built at the time) why didn't you let Sammy be the one to call Oski out for not participating? About why not Oski has not said anything, you could have explained that pretty well. I sure would find this amusing if I was him. Heck, I'm not and I still find this amusing. You also have the fact that I've mentioned before. His team are now 30-7. But as you did end this discussion let me also end it by agreeing with you. If Oski do nothing about his FA's etc, then calling him out is not wrong, I just think you called him out very premature. You could have waited until next week (IRL) when signing players will probably take off in the signing thread if he still had not posted another[/i] request to resign his players. At that point if he doesn't 'play' and Sammy speaks up about wanting the team if Oski is out, then I say... well what you say.
I have to agree with Manny here, the Cubs need to be put in there place. 30-7 I mean there is no way in hell they should have that record. In my opinion the Astros should clearly be the division leaders. Something needs to be done and done quickly before this non-sense is allowed to continue. Please give this team to a more hands on owner because this hands-off approach could quickly ruin the OOTP league. 30-7.....freaking ridiculous!! BTW - I'm not taking a side here. Just a little frustrated with their record.
Penny Burnett Willis Beckett (in the beginning) No talent... ROTFLMFAO... None of your stuff can be taken seriously if you really feel that the Marlins had no talent..
I stated when I started back that I'd like to have the Cubbies back, for old times sake. Still would. But I wouldn't push a participating owner out of the position. And I don't "need the Cubs to be a part of the sim." I'm participating now to the best of my ability as the woeful Red Sox GM (actually, they're only mediocre this season). I don't think there's anything wrong with semi-hands-off managing, if the guy's still actively participating (playing who he thinks are the best guys, handling the minors, resigning important free agents). If Oski decides that he's no longer interested in running the team, I'd like first shot at taking them over and ending the billy-goat curse (otherwise known as the curse of the HFS). If not, I wish him luck. Maybe someone should send him an email, I somehow doubt he's even seen this thread. P.S. Lol at Buck and his Astros. Reminds me of my days with the 120-42 Cubs, perpetually losing division titles to the 124-38 Astros.
Go back in hiding - you said you were done with this topic? I knew how to lure you out though. But if you think 4 good players are makes a team then there is no wonder you have yet to win a title. I agree I had decent pitching, but you also overstate their value. In fact you didn't mention my best player overall in Pudge. Beckett has always been nothing in this sim though - he was decent enough to be a 5th starter, but even before he had his tdevs an early developing Luke Hagerty was passing him. But I guess since you did not mention Pudge at all we will forgive for thinking Beckett was good at all. Neither of these players mentioned were star material - if you say Willis, then I will have to remind you that also he was undervalued by this sim. (I mean the real team won the WS and the sim team was the worst in the league - so of course the players were undervalued. I mean when I heard Pavano would pitch in the WS I thought that the Marlins were screwed, but he was not as sucky as the game made him out to be) Oh, but I digress - Willis - he had a tdev to become the player he is for me now. So the only really good player I had was Pudge and I decided my best option was to trade him for a player for the future. Enter Luke Hagerty. But I also said in my previous post that talent was the least considered. I guess what I meant by that is I checked current talent on a very vague basis (their contracts) and not prospect, but I did say in the previous post that the main criteria was that I picked a team that had the lowest revenue or fan support. But you called me a LIAR when I said I had picked the worst team on these basis claiming a couple of other teams were worse off. But I KNOW that this is what I checked when I picked Florida. If I remember right either Tampa Bay or Montreal was the "2nd worst team" by my criteria.
Yeah, I had a feeling you felt something like this so I gathered Manny's crusade against Oski were premature. I knew they were your first choice, but I didn't think it was critical for your enjoyment of the sim.
Man hands off the sim is so enjoyable. I have enjoyed reading this thread knowing I don't have to have an opinion one way or the other. You guys are killing me.
I'm starting to hate OOTP, and that is never a good feeling, so this time I will slowly back away and retire. It's been real, it's been fun, but it has not been real fun. Hermida Pickel Gowins Wayne Collins
A Wakefieldian farewell, Stat Bot. And hopefully there will be an OOTP recharge in the future of Heath.
Of course, if Chuck, against all odds, salvages the game from the latest crash then you can tear up my retirement notice. Chuck, not knowing better, expresses some hope about fixing things, but when have we ever restored a crashed sim?
