The Bender web site says: Juwan Howard .......... 8/5/96 7 $105 million '03 6'9" .....250 lbs and averages only 5 rebounds a game in 34 minutes a game. --------------------------------------------- Shareef Abdur-Rahim is listed at 6'9"....230 lbs and averages 9.8 rebounds at 38 minutes a game. --------------------------------------------- Ruben Patterson is listed at 6'6"........227 lbs and averages 5.6 rebounds at 26 minutes a game. --------------------------------------------- S Anderson at 6'6"......210 lbs pulls down 4.6 rebounds at just under 31 minutes a game. --------------------------------------------- For having almost a PF body, J Howard doesn't seem to have the fire in the belly to justify the money he is making. Why doesn't MJ see if he could swap J Howard for Pip? Mango
i did'nt read anything in this post but the title and all i have to say is no. i dont care who we can get for him, dream has done to damn much for this franchise and city and traded him would be the last thing to do. and we do well when he is in the game, he got 7 rebounds in 7 minutes last night and he still is a threat on offense no matter what. how can anyone talk about trading dream, that is just sick man.its not what have you done for me lately, its thanks for the only titles we have you deserve to go out like a man, with dignity and respect. ------------------ johnny "red" kerr:i'm glad the bulls did'nt draft steve francis. dan roan: why!!!!! johnny red kerr:because he would forever be compared to michael jordan.
If we got some chicken mcnuggets with Juwan it might be worth it. ------------------ Sir Charles is DA MAN.
QUESTION WHY THE H*LL WOULD JUWAN HOWARD BE PLAYING SF? The man should be a PF or C 1st of all. He just too d*mn Expensive. Why do the wizards suck? [honest question] Coaching? what is going on up there rocket river
A) It ain't gonna happen. b) It ain't gonna happen. C) It ain't gonna happen. D) Tod, uh, don't you remember last summer ? The Rockets trade meltdown that helped to sink the arena vote ? (dissillusioned fans) E) Hakeem is the PERFECT mentor for Cato. F) I hardly call what Hakeem is doing in the last few games, as he gets his legs, lumbering. Sure he's winded, but let's see him in two weeks. No way would I trade his insurance for this team for next year, given the youth on this team. Cato/Hakeem is a very substantial defensive punch, with two different approaches to the game. I think Rudy is REALLY excited about it. G) Howard, no thanks.
NO NO AND HELL NO Juwan Howard is the black hole of the NBA in terms of the salary cap. There is a reason that everyone says MJ's job is going to horrible, and that reason is Juwan Howard. This deal would: (1) Make MJ look like a genius. (2) Put the Rockets well-over the cap, even after Hakeem/Charles/etc retire. (3) Give the Rockets an untradable player. We'd be stuck with him for 4+ more years. This has nothing to do with Hakeem. I wouldn't trade Bill Curley for Juwan Howard. I'd rather Hakeem just retire and lose him for nothing. Or, I wouldn't mind trading him for draft picks and/or young/cheap players, but that won't happen. I'm happy with Cato/Rogers/Thomas rotating at the 4 & 5... Instead of constantly trying to bring in expensive stars, we need to start giving our own youngsters more playing time and a chance to develop. We need to be the Astros of the NBA (develping talent) instead of the New York Yankees (buying overpriced talent).
One thing is for sure...Dream is going nowhere. Rudy has already set the precedent when they played around with Toronto. The man has another year (or is it two) on his contract. He has been the cornerstone, the franchise player for this club, and IS Rocket basketball. So I think we can put away any notion of trading Hakeem. Next issue?
Shana, when the Astros win three championships in four years, then you can say that their style of doing business is the right way of doing business (as opposed to the way that the Yankees do business). I love the Astros, but the Astros have never won a post-season series, much less a world championship. I like Rogers, Thomas and Cato, but I don't know if any of them are going to become the dominant frontcourt player that the Rockets are going to need to win a championship. I don't know if Howard is going to be that type of player either (although the Rockets could use a forward who has a history of scoring 18 ppg on a consistent basis). But the Rockets' downside with Howard is limited since he is not signed for that many seasons after the current season.
Forgive my obtuseness. I'm sure this question has been answered a dozen times, but I need it again. How did we buy out Maloney's contract, and why can't we do the same with Hakeem?
Todster, I wouldn't do that deal. Loyalty aside, I would trade for someone who has a little presence of heart when they play. Howard is empty upstairs when it comes to basketball. (By the way Tod, yur a far wether fan!! How can yu say something like that abou Drem?) ------------------ Live Rocketball. Breathe Rocketball. Die with Rocketball. [This message has been edited by Almu (edited February 02, 2000).]
Can any of the insiders answer Will's question from the previous page? We bought Maloney out...what would it take to buy out Hakeem's last year on his contract and let him ride off into the sunset at the end of thisseason? ------------------ Bring It!! [This message has been edited by RocketMan Tex (edited February 03, 2000).] [This message has been edited by RocketMan Tex (edited February 03, 2000).]
Tod, Remember last year when the Knicks played the Spurs? You couldn't tell me that Ewings old behind would not have gotten them past the Spurs or at least gotten them closer to the title. The only difference between the Spurs and the Knicks last year was inside presence. The Rockets with Olajuwon clogging up the lane are much better than him being gone. For now, Cato and Dream can take turns on patrol. You are right, Olajuwon is not the same. But his mere PRESENCE changes many, many shots when those little guards try to go in for layups. That, in itself, is worth at least 12-15 points per game. One thing I do agree with you is that Dream is old. But bringing Howard here would be a BIG mistake. He can't guard anyone. He isn't smart on the floor. He just sucks, IMHO. At least Dream can play defense and grab rebounds. That is all we need from him. Presence inside makes Francis and Mobley more effective on defense. Don't you think? Yea, the Rocket won't be facing the Spurs for the WC title. But, why get rid of him for another cap hogging, no defense, no heart playing guy? Dealing Dream last year to Toronto for the picks make more sense. ------------------ Live Rocketball. Breathe Rocketball. Die with Rocketball. [This message has been edited by Almu (edited February 03, 2000).]
Also, rumor has it that it was Juwan Howard yelling for Chris Webber to take his time-out in the 1993 NCAA Championship game.
First off, I am totally against trading the Dream. The only postive would be this: Trading Olajuwon would piss me off so bad that if the Rockets left town, it would make it a lot easier to say good bye. ------------------ Proud Cheerleader 'til we move to New Orleans 302
Hold on, if Hakeem is producing better numbers than Howard right now, and everyone will be glad that once Hak gracefully retires, we will have cap space to pursue some talented front court player who hopefully will provide much better production than Hakeem at this point in his career. Why would you trade for Howard who would clog that cap space for a year or 2 more than Hak and he won't even be as productive as Hakeem or the future free agent? You wouldn't. Anyways, this topic is STUPID because it isn't even within the realm of possibility.
How did we buy out Maloney's contract, and why can't we do the same with Hakeem? First of all, nobody has every confirmed that we bought Maloney out. So, it's more likely that we just ate Maloney's contract (i.e. the entire contract still counts against the cap for the remainder of the contract). That's doable for a guy making less than $2M, but not for a guy making $14M. If we did buy out Hakeem, that would mean that we could pay him no more than 50% of his remaining salary (~7.5M) and that money would count against next years cap. So, first Hakeem would have to agree to the buy out and thereby lose at least $7.5M and then it would only reduce the payroll by $7.5M. We still would have little if any cap space to go after a big time free agent (if that's what you were thinking).
TOD: I know it was just a suggestion, a possiblity, a whim, whatever, but please, please my man, PUT THE CRACK PIPE DOWN! ------------------ The truth is out there. [This message has been edited by Mulder (edited February 03, 2000).]
If those two things are true, I wouldn't trade him for Pig Miller!!! LOL!! He has game. But so does 99 percent of the NBA. Its the brains that separates the men from the boys. ------------------ Live Rocketball. Breathe Rocketball. Die with Rocketball.
Tod , can you honestly say you think Hakeem is a dog at this point in his career ? If your answer is yes than I suggest you stick to the Astros because your basketball powers of observation are seriously lacking. Hakeem may not return to his glorious past but I feel now that he's healthy he will suprise a lot of people.He is by no means washed up. I also think that the dropoff in his play since the last title had a lot to do with Barkley's presence on the team.
