Yes this one. Do you really think a law like the one in AZ would pass here? I know we're not liberal by any means, but I think they'd have a huge fight on their hands.
Arizona is just enforcing the laws on the books. If someone is pulled over, check their immigration status. When did it become so horrible to follow the law? This is a pretty harsh law, but I do think that many people take abortion waaaaay too lightly. It shouldn't be so easy as they are taking a life. I don't think abortion should be illegal as its someone's own body, but it shouldn't be so routine and them not know how its done. That picture is horrible, but it is how an abortion is done in many cases as per my OB/Gyn friends.
That law has nothing to do with legitimizing immigration and everything to do with racial profiling. Tell me, how does someone "look" unamerican?
It became horrible to follow this law when it could detain people without a trial, and when citizens could be asked for their papers and have to provide them. It became horrible when the law enforcement agencies could be sued because some yahoo believes they aren't enforcing it enough.
If you pull someone over and ask for their identification regardless. Do you think the police are not going to follow the law? I'm probably the most pro-immigration person around. I love immigration and bringing the best and brightest and other cultures from around the world here. But they should do it legally. We should accept more people legally rather than forgive those that have crossed the border without permission.
I don't really see your point. Enacting a law that throws probable cause out the window is not the way to go. You're looking a little too unamerican today, I hope you've got your I.D. on you.
Because you have to give the police a reason to pull you over. "Driving too unamerican" shouldn't be a reason.
I don't believe the law requries police to pull over people on the basis of probable cause of being illegal immigrants. I thought it was just if you were pulled over for other reasons, they check your identification. Like when they ask for proof of insurance. They don't pull cars over b/c they suspect they don't have insurance, but do ask if they have pulled someone over. Asking for insurance and ID should give them an idea of legal status. I don't see why its wrong to enforce the law.
There's a wrong way and a right way to enforce the law. They check your I.D. on a traffic stop to make sure it's your car and that you are able to operate the vehicle. You're driving a car, so you should be able to prove that you're legally certified to operate it, especially since the officer must be given a reason to pull you over. (i.e. you f**ed up as if you didn't know how to operate it) How does one give "reasonable suspicion" that they're an illegal alien? You can do something while driving to give reasonable suspicion... but just existing? The language says they're required to make this determination during "the course of a traffic stop or other law-enforcement action", can you not see a problem with such a loosely defined term as "other law-enforcement action"? It's pretty much giving them free range to demand your documentation, and that is pretty damned close to fascist. Like I said, I hope you're not looking unamerican without your I.D. anytime soon. We all know what this law is basically codifying, and it isn't about trying to legitimize the immigration process as much as it is about kicking out brown people. I'm all reforming the immigration process to be more effective, useful, and productive, but this doesn't do it.
FYI... there's a thread on the Arizona immigration law, you just can't tell by the title: Sarah Palin claims minorities are 2nd class citizens
even the police dont like the law. I dont think anyone has a problem with checking for illegals. The problem is WHICH illegals will be checked. everyone know only a certain spanish speaking race will get checked 95 percent of the time (racial profiling). What about Russian, British, Jamacian, French etc immigrents?
I think that's wrong. Only about 30% of Arizonans are Hispanic, and about 60% are white non-Hispanic.
This is not entirely true. Under the Arizona law, the police can pull somebody over on the suspicion that they are an illegal immigrant. This is not the case where you pulled them over for speeding, etc. No other probable cause is necessary to pull them over. It's pure crap. If you had to have another reason to detain and checked the status as part of the detention...it is a different story.
To be fair, AZ passed an amendment changing this: http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmem...migration-bill-gov-likely-to-sign.php?ref=fpb One amendment makes it clear that police may only stop or detain someone for violating a different law -- no one can be stopped on the sole suspicion that they're in the country illegally Who knows how it will play out in practice, but in theory, there has to be another reason now.
