Alright, this honestly the last thing I'm going to say. It's not the managers fault if the guy gives up three runs or walks three guys. But it is the manager's fault if he leaves a reliever out there after he has done said things. Now good night.
At some point, you have to stop and realize which team we're playing here... they're not some average bunch where you can get away with some below-average middle releivers and shut them down more often than not. Hell, the fact that they held that lead yesterday with White (thus making him unavailable today) made the odds even more stacked that a similiar result would be able to acheived with Borkowski. The Angels are great... our bullpen is crap (but this crap could still be good enough to beat any other NL central foe).
I don't know what the hell you are reading but I'm complaining on the fact that Bork was left in too long after he clearly didn't have anything...not that he was brought in to do the job. A lot of managers would have yanked him after two straight walks while we still had a lead but, clearly, Garner is not one of them. Why? Hell if I know. Too much hope?
If you bring in a reliever and he walks two guys......and the sacks are still full, you have to be an idiot to leave him in there to walk the third. Not to mention that he is probably struggling so bad that any strike he throws is going to be right down Gasoline alley. Our bullpen sucks, should have stuck with Wandy....he deserved a chance to get out of the minor jam he was in..... DD
WTF? The Angles are great? That means squat, it is situational as to whether the Astros should win....and there is a good argument that they should have swept your beloved Angels. DD
well if the pitcher comes in and obviously fails to perform 3 times in a row. WOULD YOU LEAVE HIM IN TO FACE their 3 and 4 batters? NO so don't act like borkowski is completely at fault when garner has to take some of the heat.
I already said he probably could have taken Borkowski out... but by that point, major damage had already been done (albeit, there was still a fighting chance) thanks to yet another pitcher who is unable to do their job. This isn't some new-found development as a result of terrible managing... Borkowski is a journey-man career borderline major leaguer for a reason... and he definitely proved that again tonight. The funny thing is that you had no problem with him two nights ago, and apparently you feel that as soon as one bullpen pitcher has problems, ANYBODY would be able to do a better job.
I think Wandy should have been given the chance to work out of the jam himself. But whatever, this year's Astros team is beyond frustrating.....at least the offense if finally showing up, and still they can't win. DD
Give Garner all the heat you want for the Vlad incident (btw, you want Randolph to face Vlad?). But, Borkowski CHOKING on the mound is more telling to what kind of a pitcher he is, and what kind of a bullpen Garner has to work with... apparently he can't afford to bring in anybody without worrying about confidence, whether or not they have their good stuff, the "in-game rhythm," etc. etc. etc. Sometimes, these guys just need to pitch... if they can't, get guys up here who can.
he was at 96 pitches. would have been dumb to leave him in there and if you are saying wandy should have stayed in then you are pretty much saying garner did the right thing by leaving borkowski in.
At no point did this statement even come close to representing a coherent thought. The Angels are great... great teams make comebacks... great teams can beat you multiple ways... they've got a stacked lineup, top to bottom, they work counts, they've got speed, and they've clearly got more intestinal fortitude than some members of the Astros. And yes, the Astros could have swept them... but not only did they not ,but they lost the series... because over a long season, good teams find ways to win these games, while bad teams find ways to lose them.
the right move was probably to take borkowski out after three straight walks but nick is right, the angels are really good and what's left of our bullpen with lidge out is not looking pretty. it's not like we were bringing in wheeler in that situation. i'm all for second-guessing garner, i do it a whole lot more than i like, but in that situation there wasn't a sure bet waiting in the bullpen.
eh how about fire moehler send borkowski back to his normal job. fire white and bring up estrada/randolph. who cares who pitched to vlad since it was obvious Borkowski couldnt throw ****.
I'm just pointing out that the options weren't all that great to begin with... if they were, Borkowski would have never been the guy to be called on to pitch in the 7th inning to protect a 2 run lead with 2 men on base. But yes... I agree that Garner should have taken out Borkowski after 3 walks (not only take him out, but really question whether or not he wants to be a major leaguer after that choke job).
ok then i agree with you... sry just frustrated at the game and your ScreenName is my name in RL and it's bugging me.
How about not having a questionable pitching staff? I think you have a better chance at contending that way....
