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Obama's first test

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  1. BetterThanEver

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    Russia makes the initial move to increase bargaining power over Obama about the missle defense system.

    Does Obama fold and scrap the missle defense system in Europe or does he continue on with the plans to protect American interests?

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081106/ap_on_re_eu/eu_russia_medvedev

    Russia to deploy short-range missiles near Poland
    By STEVE GUTTERMAN and VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV, Associated Press Writers

    MOSCOW – Russia will deploy short-range missiles near Poland to counter U.S. military plans in Eastern Europe, President Dmitry Medvedev warned Wednesday, setting a combative tone that clashed with global goodwill over Barack Obama's election.

    In his first state of the nation speech, Medvedev blamed Washington for the war in Georgia and the world financial crisis and suggested it was up to Washington to mend badly damaged ties.

    Medvedev also proposed increasing the Russian presidential term to six years from four — a change that could deepen Western concern over democracy in Russia and play into the hands of his mentor, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, who has not ruled out a return to the Kremlin.

    Extending the presidential term could mean a possible 12 more years in the top office for the popular Putin.

    Echoing Putin, who made criticism of Washington and the West a hallmark of his two-term, eight-year presidency, Medvedev used the speech in an ornate Kremlin reception hall to cast Russia as a nation threatened by encroaching American military might.

    "From what we have seen in recent years — the creation of a missile defense system, the encirclement of Russia with military bases, the relentless expansion of NATO — we have gotten the clear impression that they are testing our strength," Medvedev said.

    He signaled Moscow would not give in to Western calls to pull troops from Georgia's breakaway regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, or rescind its recognition of their independence following the August war.

    "We will not retreat in the Caucasus," he said, winning one of many rounds of applause during the televised 85-minute address.

    Talking tough, he fleshed out long-promised military measures in response to U.S. plans for missile defense facilities in Poland and the Czech Republic, former Soviet satellites now in NATO. The Kremlin claims the system is meant to weaken Russia, not defend against Iran, as Washington insists.

    Medvedev said Iskander missiles would be deployed to Russia's western enclave of Kaliningrad, sandwiched between Poland and Lithuania, "to neutralize, if necessary, a missile defense system."

    The Iskander has a range of about 280 kilometers (175 miles), which would allow it to reach targets in Poland but not in the Czech Republic — but officials have said its range could be increased. Medvedev did not say whether the missiles would be fitted with nuclear warheads.

    Russia will also deploy electronic jamming equipment, Medvedev said.

    After the speech, the Kremlin announced Medvedev had congratulated Obama for winning the U.S. presidency, saying in a telegram he was "counting on a constructive dialogue with you on the basis of trust and taking each other's interests into account."

    In Washington, State Department spokesman Sean McCormack emphasized that the planned missile defenses were not aimed at Russia.

    "The steps that the Russian government announced today are disappointing," McCormack said. "But, again, this is not directed at them. Hopefully one day they'll realize that."

    Medvedev appeared to be trying to improve Russia's bargaining position in potential talks with the Obama administration on missile defense. His wording suggested Russia would reverse the decision if the U.S. scraps its missile defense plans.

    "Moscow isn't interested in confrontation, and if Obama makes some conciliatory gestures it will respond correspondingly," said Alexander Pikayev, an analyst at Moscow's Institute for World Economy and International Relations.


    But independent military analyst Alexander Golts said Medvedev's "confrontational tone" could further harm relations with the United States, which plunged to a post-Cold War low over the war in Georgia.

    "Russia itself is cutting off the route toward better ties," he said.

    Regional leaders criticized Medvedev's missile warning. German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said it was "certainly the wrong signal at the wrong time" and urged the U.S. and Russia to see change in the White House as an "opportunity for a new beginning."

    Medvedev suggested the U.S. must make the first move to break the chill. The Kremlin hopes the incoming administration "will make a choice in favor of full-fledged relations with Russia," he said.

    In addition to calling for a six-year presidential term, he said parliament's term should be extended to five years instead of four and its power over the executive branch increased.

    Both changes could strengthen the hand of Putin, who can run for president again in 2012 and now heads the dominant United Russia party.
     
  2. ico4498

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    George Bush is still president.
     
  3. SamFisher

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    I'll let fred Kaplan field this one.

    http://www.slate.com/id/2203915/pagenum/2

    Tell them we will proceed to deploy missile defenses in the Czech Republic and Poland if the system works (a nudge-and-wink signal that we probably will not proceed after all). This is not "appeasement," since we have—or should have—no interest in behaving otherwise. Resume strategic arms talks, and demand in return that Moscow reaffirm the Reagan-era treaty limiting conventional forces in Europe, which Vladimir Putin has been threatening to abrogate.
     
  4. glynch

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    It is a test to see if Obama is stupid enough to make a big issue out of the Russians deploying some missiles within Russia. Obama should not fall for this potential waste of money and attention. Nothing he can do about it any way. Let the usual suspects try to claim he is not tough or some other bs. They will always claim in any way unless he starts a couple of elective new wars.

    Bush probably won't do anything. I suppose he can use it as an excuse to give out some more no-bid contracts perhaps to Halliburton prior to he and Cheney joining the board in a few months or whatever money making schemes they are planning.
     
  5. KingCheetah

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    Lol, Russia always with the missiles...
     
  6. bigtexxx

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    One interesting angle to this story is how racist Russians are in general. Will they respect Obama? Will they look down upon him due to his skin color? Based on this incident the day after he was elected, it's not off to a good start
     
  7. robbie380

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    fyi barack is an american. they will respect that no matter what kind of names they choose to call him.
     
  8. Invisible Fan

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    Obama's skin color might be black, but our nukes are painted white.
     
  9. Supermac34

    Supermac34 President, Von Wafer Fan Club

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    I always thought they were painted with those yellow and black symbols.
     
  10. Landlord Landry

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    John Titor........freak out ya'll, freak out.
     
  11. flipmode

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    this.
     
  12. nkbearsnk

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    Wow! That is an obscure reference. Well done!
     
  13. percicles

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    Texxx is right on the russian race issue. Russians are very racist.

    Nuke the men and send me the women.
     
  14. conquistador#11

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    women from the soviet union are very bossy, I kinda like it. And what better way to increase their low birthrate?
     
  15. Oski2005

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    I guess Bush was right, we did forget Poland.
     
  16. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Who cares where they point their missiles?

    Russia is just sabre rattling...hey look at us...don't forget us....

    Pardon me while I Yawn.

    DD
     
  17. Landlord Landry

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    it's alot more obscure than you think.............
     
  18. Landlord Landry

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    John Titor is an absolute freak........the more I read about him, the more freaked out I become.
     
  19. rocket3forlife2

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    After all of the slurs and racist names, you still have to calls him, president Obama afterwards.
     
  20. KingCheetah

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    I would love to hear what freaks you out about John Titor.
     

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