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Obama v. Lieberman

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rimrocker, Jun 5, 2008.

  1. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Lieberman is respected because he is an independent. Obama tries to run as a politician who trascends party liens, then when one of his own party mates crosses over in an election, Obama blows a gasket over his lack of partisanship. Hypocrisy at its finest, ladies and gents.

    How can you continue to buy into Obama's hype when he continues to prove it wrong?
     
  2. DonnyMost

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    Show them teeth, B!
     
  3. vlaurelio

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    do you know what exactly Obama told Lieberman?
     
  4. thegary

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  5. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    I guess Obama's speech didn't work... just got this email:

    To: Fellow McCain Supporters

    From: Senator Joe Lieberman

    Date: June 5th, 2008

    Today, I asked Senator McCain if I could create and chair a new grassroots organization, "Citizens for McCain."

    Citizens for McCain is an organization within the McCain campaign for people who put country before political party and support the candidate for President who has a proven record of bipartisanship.

    As you know, I caucus with the Democrats as a United States Senator and was the Democrat Party's nominee for Vice-President of the United States against President Bush and Vice President Cheney.

    But first and foremost, I am an American. I have an obligation to do what I think is best for our nation regardless of political party. My love for this country and strong belief in John McCain's character, judgment, and willingness to work with leaders of both parties has convinced me to support him for President.

    I have worked with John McCain for many years in the U.S. Senate and know from experience that he can unite Democrats, Republicans and Independents like no one else in this country. He did it in the United States Senate and he can do it as President of the United States.

    But we need help from McCain supporters such as you to reach out to Americans who are not currently involved in the campaign. Will you help us by recruiting your friends, family, and co-workers who may not consider themselves members of the Republican Party and ask them to join the Citizens for McCain organization?

    I am confident we will find many Democrats and Independents who, like John McCain and me, put country before political party and will support a leader with a real record of bipartisanship.

    Time and time again John McCain has put his country first. He refused early release when he was held captive in Vietnam. He continued to put his country first as a national leader in the U.S. Senate. He put country before party when he fought to pass campaign finance reform, sought a bi-partisan solution to the immigration problem, and consistently supported pro-environment policies. His courage to stand up to the failed Iraq war plan of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and lead the fight for a new strategy in Iraq will go down in history, and it saved American lives. These were not always the easy things to do. In fact, they were usually very difficult, and often threatened his political career. But John McCain did what was right.

    He said it best in his speech in New Orleans on Tuesday night:
    "(The American people) know I have a long record of bipartisan problem solving. They've seen me put our country before any President -- before any party -- before any special interest -- before my own interest. They might think me an imperfect servant of our country, which I surely am. But I am her servant first, last and always."

    The phones at the campaign headquarters have been ringing with disaffected Democrats calling to say they believe Senator McCain has the experience, judgment, and bipartisanship necessary to lead our country in these difficult times. Many of these supporters are former supporters of Senator Clinton.

    Senator McCain has had a very good working relationship with Senator Clinton and will continue to do so in the future. In the same New Orleans speech he said:
    "Senator Clinton has earned great respect for her tenacity and courage. The media often overlooked how compassionately she spoke to the concerns and dreams of millions of Americans, and she deserves a lot more appreciation than she sometimes received. As the father of three daughters, I owe her a debt for inspiring millions of women to believe there is no opportunity in this great country beyond their reach. I am proud to call her my friend."

    I am proud to call John McCain my friend and ask you to help our friend become the next President of the United States.

    Please forward this email to your lists today and ask your friends, family, and coworkers who do not consider themselves Republicans to join me in filling out the Citizens for McCain form today.

    Thank you for your willingness to help me expand this new organization. Together, we will make history.
     
  6. rimrocker

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    So why did he email you TJ?
     
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    Lieberman is now a Democrat outkast just like Zell Miller and any other Democrat who goes against their liberal views. Why doesn't Obama EVER question his own party like Lieberman and Zell?
     
  8. Rocket River

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    I guess someone will blast the good ole. . .
    "POLICY CHECK HOMIE!!"


    Someone needs to straighten Lieberman out anyway

    Rocket River
     
  9. pgabriel

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    someone questioned the republicans

    see election results 2006
     
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    And people need to question the Democrats
     
  11. rimrocker

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    Well, he not only questioned it, he's worked to change it and is in the process of doing so. You don't beat the Clintons politically, organizationally, and monetarily by accepting party traditions.
     
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    This might be one of my favorite posts by you, because it's almost all made up entirely.

    There is no evidence that Obama blew a gasket. He handled the whole issue with firm leadership, but did not throw a tantrum or anything.

    You have no idea that what Obama was talking to Joe about, and have no idea it was because he transcended party lines. It's just made up stuff by you.

    Very funny. Nice post.
     
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    I suspect most of the liberal posters here could not make this statement.

    1. Democrat
    2. Rockets' Fan
    3. American
     
  14. FranchiseBlade

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    This is the kind of crap we were trying to clear up around here.

    For some reason basso believes that people who believe differently don't love America.
     
  15. Batman Jones

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    WTF does that even mean? You're a joke.
     
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    This just proves that you are first and foremost, an idiot.
     
  17. weslinder

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    I've said it before, with Hagel supporting Obama, and Lieberman supporting McCain, the only line drawn is this particular war.

    It's not general foreign policy, because McCain, Lieberman, and Obama are all hawks generally. (Hagel opposed both Bosnia and Iraq, and I believe was the only Senator to do so. He used to be pretty good on foreign aid, but I think his friendship with Obama ruined that.)

    It's not about any domestic policies, because Hagel trends right of McCain, and Lieberman's about the same as Obama. For example, I can't imagine Hagel supporting Obama's nightmarish healthcare plan, and Lieberman certainly would.

    It might be about personalities, but I don't know how to analyze that.

    The one thing that supporters are falling in line on is the war.
     
  18. Batman Jones

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    Of course, basso's post was a trick question. According to him it is impossible to be a Democrat and an American. Only those few Republicans that still support the war are Americans. The rest of us are traitors.
     
  19. El_Conquistador

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    How can anyone say McCain = Bush when a guy who ran against Bush in 2000 is lined up behind McCain?

    Answer me that, 'trons!

    p.s. Could Connecticut be in play with Lieberman on board?
     
  20. Batman Jones

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    Good one. Lieberman wouldn't even win in CT today.
     

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