His preferred domestic agenda does have a significant socialist flavor to it, so I do not think that charge is completely unfounded. With regards to the other names, who of any note has called Obama any of these things?
Those were your chosen terms, not mine. I never said anyone called Palin those things. However, any honest person who has followed the American political scene over the last year and a half is well familiar with the nearly foaming at the mouth, vitriolic attacks against Sarah Palin and her family by leftists everywhere, including I suspect, on this message board. If you want to be taken seriously on this topic, please refrain from responding with any sort of denials of that point.
which are no different that the foaming at the mouth, vitriolic attacks against obama. except not being as bad. people mainly called her unprepared and stupid. not anything equivalent to nazi or anti-christ. and **** was not my term, but basso's.
I spoke to the use of the word "socialist" in my previous post, so I will not repeat myself on that point. Personally, I do not believe that Obama is a racist. However, his record on this question is far from squeaky clean. Being a member for 20 years at a church in Chicago lead by a loud mouth racist pastor strains his credentials on this question almost to the breaking point.Also, Obama's handling of the situation with Professor Gates and the Cambridge police department, when he shot his mouth off and called the police stupid when they were just doing their jobs, raises further questions. There have been other questionable incidents as well. Despite all of that, I think we throw the term racist around in this country far too easily. So, it is my desire to give Obama the benefit of the doubt on this question for the time being. But whatever standard is considered acceptable for Obama must apply to everyone. There cannot be different standards that are applied to people differently depending on their political ideology. Whatever the strictist standard is will apply to everyone, including Barack Obama. So, consider yourselves warned. Whatever standard I see you guys here on this board applying to conservatives, I will eagerly apply that same standard to Barack Obama. Watch out, because the days of the double standard are over. With that in mind, I do not share Glenn Beck's opinion that Obama is a racist. However, based on Obama's history, and the hyper-sensitive standards of racism applied to conservatives, his opinion on this is not entirely unjustified at all.
I'm looking forward to voting for domestic partnerships in Washington State. Of course, it'll be even better when it's full marriage rights.
no, i do, it's just not what i did there. but you would know it best. but of course, you would know FAIL much better than I would.
interesting reading from, of course, TPM -- Could NY-23 GOP Candidate Be Siphoning Votes From The Democrat? With polls showing moderate Republican Dede Scozzafava in third place in the NY-23 special election, behind Democrat Bill Owens and Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman, she may have to deal with a label that is not often applied to major-party candidates -- that of the spoiler. But who, exactly, is she spoiling? Prof. Larry Sabato from the University of Virginia posited an interesting hypothesis to me: That Scozzafava's remaining vote is not a conservative Republican base vote that would go to Hoffman, since voters on the right have already been coalescing around him, but she could actually be drawing more from the moderate Democrat Owens. "Most people think of that as just a rock solid Republican vote, but who are those people?" Sabato said. "They're people who now know, for the most part, that Scozzafava is a liberal Republican. They get it. And a lot of them are really unhappy with Hoffman, so are they really gonna back Hoffman?" As this idea goes -- and keep in mind that it's not a solid pronouncement, but simply an interpretation of the data as it stands now -- if the Republican continues to fall, it could end up helping the Democrat in a district that voted 52% for Barack Obama in 2008, and where a majority might find a Democrat preferable to the right-wing Conservative. http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/...phoning-votes-from-the-democrat.php?ref=fpblg
more from josh -- For all my fellow NJ-Gov fellow obsessives out there a quick update. Yesterday we had the Quinnipiac poll showing Corzine opening a meaningful lead over Christie -- 43% to 38%. Well we've got three new polls out today. And it's remains a mixed picture, with the upshot pointing to a crazily tight race. Democracy Corps has Corzine by 5 points. Corzine 43%, Christie 38%. Same as Quinnipiac. Kos/R2K has Christie ahead by 1 point. Christie 42%, Corzine 41%. And SurveyUSA has it all tied up at 43%. There's a lot of polling in this race. And in some ways what is most striking is just how consistent the results have been going back two or three weeks. The trend is definitely toward Corzine. But it's a trend well within the margin of error of the polls themselves. When you add in the big wildcard of how many Daggett voters will break toward one of the major candidates at the last minute, you've got a race that's really hard to predict. http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/10/nj-gov_fix.php#more?ref=fpblg
The general feeling is that Daggett voters are more likely to break towards Christie. Here is the polling average for this race, complete with links to the individuals polls that make up the race: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...jersey_governor_corzine_vs_christie-1051.html
because Obama has gone all in for Corzine. [rquoter]Nervous W.H. intervened in N.J. race; top Obama adviser now in charge By: Ben Smith October 29, 2009 05:09 AM EST One of President Barack Obama’s key political advisers has become the central strategist in New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine’s bruising campaign for re-election, a race the White House desperately wants to win to avert the consequences for its own agenda of a Republican winning in a traditionally Democratic state. The White House was so concerned about Corzine's chances during the summer that Corzine's aides feared the first-term governor was being pressured to step aside for a stronger candidate. Those fears turned out to be groundless, but were part of the reason Corzine hired Joel Benenson, who has helped impose discipline on a struggling campaign and crystallize Corzine’s aggressive attacks on the character of his Republican opponent, former U.S. Attorney Chris Christie. The race is seen as extremely close, complicated by the presence of a third candidate, Chris Daggett. For the White House, it’s a crucial symbolic prize. With Democrat Creigh Deeds running far behind his Republican rival in Virginia, the New Jersey race – once believed to be hopeless for Corzine – is now seen as the White House’s best bet to make the 2009 election cycle a political wash and to calm the nerves of congressional Democrats approaching the crucial 2010 midterm elections. Both Obama and Vice President Joseph Biden have campaigned for Corzine in the state, and Obama has cut television and radio ads for the governor. This Sunday, on the final weekend of the campaign, the president is returning to New Jersey for two events to try to pull Corzine over the finish line. Benenson, the chief pollster in Obama’s 2008 campaign, along with David Plouffe, his former campaign manager, and a handful of others, make up a political inner circle that still meets regularly with White House senior advisor David Axelrod. Just as Bill Clinton once dispatched his political team to take over troubled campaigns from New York to Israel, Benenson’s arrival in New Jersey has stirred perceptions of a White House takeover – something he flatly denied. “I’m known as a pretty strong New Jersey pollster and all [his hiring] says is that the campaign thought that I could add some value at a time when they felt they needed to make a move,” Berenson said. Corzine trailed Christie badly in the polls throughout the summer, and according to three aides, began to suspect that the White House was considering pushing him to step aside for another candidate – a tactic the White House unsuccessfully tried against another northeastern Democrat in similar trouble – New York Gov. David Paterson. Among the other names floated by other New Jersey Democrats as possible replacements were State Senate President Richard Codey and Newark Mayor Corey Booker. When White House officials, including Axelrod and political director Patrick Gaspard, traveled to New Jersey to express their concern in early August, Corzine argued that his campaign had a plausible strategy to turn the race around. “We were able to show a path to victory that was credible,” said one Corzine aide, who said the White House officials brought discipline to a feuding campaign. “It scares you – the White House is going to be sitting at the table, and you’ve got to take that seriously,” the aide said. Some Corzine aides perceived the visit as a threat. “They were basically sending the message, ‘you should get out of the race,’” said one aide to Corzine, who, in the aide’s opinion, would never have considered dropping out. Benenson, however, said that was never in the cards, and that White House officials were careful to put those rumors to rest. “That meeting opened with the White House saying, ‘We’re not here to change this – we want to win this campaign,’” he said. Later that month, Corzine pushed his main pollster, Mark Mellman, aside, and brought on Benenson, who lives in New Jersey and has worked on many other statewide contests in the state. The hiring may also have had the intent, and effect, of soothing White House nerves. “They have a very competent team, including Joel Benenson, who we know well. We have confidence in them,” Axelrod said in an email. Corzine insiders said Benenson gave direction to a campaign that had already embraced the sort of slash-and-burn politics Obama used to decry on the campaign trail. Under his direction, scattershot attacks on Christie gave way to a more coherent narrative. A Democrat involved in the campaign’s internal discussion said that the central argument against Christie – that he has “one set of rules for himself, another for everybody else” – “came from Joel and the White House.” The theme emerged most clearly in an ad attacking the overweight Christie with the charge that he was “throwing his weight around.” Some Corzine advisers see Benenson as a proxy for the White House; one told POLITICO that the White House has effective “veto power” over the campaign, something White House and Corzine campaign officials heatedly rejected. Corzine’s communications director, Sean Darcy, confirmed elements of the White House role but downplayed its significance. “We show them our ads before they go up the same way we show county chairs, staff and others,” he said, referring – another aide said – to television ads that have already been sent to stations. The campaign also shows White House officials its polling, but “they do not provide strategic input,” he said, adding that Corzine had righted his political ship not – as widely thought inside and outside his campaign – through attacks on Christie, but because “the focus [of the campaign] became issue-based.” “We don't screen ads, we don't construct or review polling, we are not calling the shots in New Jersey,” said Axelrod in his email. “I do check in periodically to see where they think the race is at because we are, of course, interested.”[/rquoter]
Change: Pataki Endorses Hoffman <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/wpfKnrCKKfM&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&feature=player_embedded&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/wpfKnrCKKfM&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&feature=player_embedded&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" width="425" height="344"></embed></object> as does GayPatriot [rquoter]Doug Hoffman for Congress Posted by B. Daniel Blatt at 2:23 am - October 30, 2009. Filed under: 2009 Elections, Conservative Ideas, Real Reform, Republican Rebuilding It would be nice if there were more men like the Rudy Giuliani in the Republican Party, strong leaders who are conservative when it counts, fiscal hawks who are tough on crime and strong on national security, yet not beholden to social conservatives on issues of concern to gay people. More often than not, when a Republican candidate is more “liberal” on gay issues than the rest of the caucus, he (or she) is more liberal on many other issues as well, not opposed to higher taxes, less committed to regulatory relief and reform, weaker on national security. So it is with Dede Scozzafava, the Republican nominee for Congress in the special election to fill the seat of John McHugh, vacated when he was confirmed as Secretary of the Army. Aware that she had a record on gay issues similar to that of the former Mayor of the Big Apple, we at GayPatriot had initially remained silent on the campaign, not joining other conservative bloggers in trumpeting renegade Republican Doug Hoffman who is running on the Conservative line in this election. That all changed upon learning from the Wall Street Journal’s John Fund that Scozzafava was “the most liberal member of the GOP caucus in the state legislature, scoring a 15% rating on the Conservative Party’s scorecard.” And she’s not just liberal on state issues, she is also liberal on national issues as well, supporting the Democrats’ spendthrift “stimulus” and their “card check” legislation. At a time with record growth in federal spending, record deficits and an ever-expanding federal government, we cannot afford another spendthrift federal legislator, least of all one who calls herself a Republican. We need to hold the line on federal spending and cut, not expand, government regulation. We could find no convincing evidence that the Republican nominee in NY-23 is committed to that small government conservative agenda. That is why we at GayPatriot join other “grassroots conservatives” in endorsing Doug Hoffman for Congress in the special election to be held next Tuesday, November 3 in New York State’s 23rd Congressional District. We believe the Conservative candidate will do a better job in standing up to the big spending/big government policies put forward by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her Democrats and support a real reform agenda, cutting back on the size of the federal government, reducing the scope of its regulatory authority. We recognize that Hoffman is not an ideal candidate, but we don’t live in the ideal world. In this election, citizens of upstate New York have three real choices. Considering the broad range issues of concern to us, he is by the best of the three. We encourage all GayPatriot readers living in NY-23 to pull the Conservative Party lever in next Tuesday’s balloting.[/rquoter]
