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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Senator, Mar 12, 2019.

  1. Senator

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    Really good documentary highlighting the tension between law enforcement and underserved AA communities.

    Progress only made once the F the Police, don't snitch mentality is dropped and citizens stop targeting authority as the cause of their problems. I would also ban rappers who prey on this emotion to sell records .. whether you like it or not .. have the largest influence in these parts.
     
  2. fchowd0311

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    I would say the onus is on the trained professionals who earned their lack of trust.

    I suggest when you have the time watch this interview of a veteran Baltimore cop:
     
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  3. Senator

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    No. The onus is on the community committing disproportionately high levels of violent crime, not the professionals they need to protect them. 0.1% of incidents that go wrong are not valid arguments. Spend a month in law enforcement shoes , it doesn't matter what race or gender .. they come to conclusions discrediting everything you want to believe for a reason. Better yet, sign up for the police and show us all your superior understanding.
     
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    I spent four years around the type of people who make up a large portion of the law enforcement community (Marine infantry) and they are the very same people who gather around a computer with a YouTube playlist qued up of world star hip hop videos so they can laugh at black culture. Many of these people come into the proffesion with a predisposed animus towards urban black culture. They certainly aren't there to serve out of empathy .

    I suggest watching the video. These proffesionals aren't their to protect them, they are there to siphon as much revenue from them and treat the entire community as a war zone.
     
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    that video is well worth watching
     
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    Are you really going with the ban rap thing again?

    I guess you're not much of a free speech advocate.
     
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  7. Senator

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    Your incredibly narrow view and small experiences have nothing to do with the documentary, nor do they correspond with my decade+ experience. Watch it.

    Don't post youtube videos that go with your narrow POV.

    I'll just post rap lyrics and we'll go round forever.

    Watch it, then we can resume the debate.
     
  8. Senator

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    You weren't much of a free speech advocate when the KKK guys were marching around South Carolina, were you? Smollet's right of free speech allowed him to make up a hate crime to target white people on national TV. He shouldn't be prosecuted .. right? If you insist on making things harder for yourself, I can't help you. No one can.
     
  9. Senator

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    FIFY
     
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    I don't think JayGoogle has ever stated that Smollet shouldn't be prosecuted.

    It seems like you are beating up a strawman while JayGoogle just accurately portrayed your desire.

    Also, I think I have decent insight in the type of people attracted to law enforcement. Marine infantry is a relatively small community. Camp Lejeune holds almost half of all Marine infantry regiments. I know many people from many different regiments. About a third of our entire company of ~200 men joined law enforcement. I understand the hiring practices for many precincts(horribly low standards for many unfortunately). I also know there are empirical studies that show that the higher level of education a LEO holds the less likely they are to use deadly force or be involved in corruption.

    Law enforcement unfortunately attracts many of the "I did poor in high school and need to prove myself" type of individuals. It's an ego trip for many. I personally think we need to drastically raise the standards for hiring along with increased pay.
     
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    Yes, sure I am. I've made it very clear that people have a right to publicly assemble and protest, shout, about whatever they want to. I'm against people thinking they have a right to privately owned platforms.

    No, what Smollet did isn't protected by Free Speech which is exactly why he's in legal trouble now and rightfully so.

    "Are you really going with the ban hate speech meant to promote violence and drug use that destroys communities?"

    Again, this shows you know next to nothing about rap.



    Can you tell me what this song is about?
     
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    Agree with this.

    Fixed this one.
     
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    This guy complaining about somebody else having a narrow view.

    Ha!
     
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  14. Senator

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    That's the whole point. You won't find rocket scientists and high aptitude overachievers suddenly going to law enforcement. As a community we have to make do with what we have , not expect Eric Gordon to play like James Harden. You can pick apart the flaws of cops all day, but listening to what they say, looking at evidence based on what they deal with on a daily basis and finally by looking at the stats, you can only come to one conclusion... demonizing them while living in tough circumstances hurts you more than anyone else.
     
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    I don't need to know anything about bad music. Like everything, rap has it's good and bad, but the trashier the lyrics the more it sells. It's definitely something worth censoring because it has a huge effect. How do Lupe's lyrics sell against the bad guys? There is a huge element to what sells, and when this is essentially hate speech, it should be censored because it's the "foot soldiers" who get motivated and manipulated by it. No one is going to censor Lupe.

    What I want is to bring down crime to stabilize the lives of officers and citizens. Poverty is a problem but other groups live with less while committing much less violent crime. An aggressive campaign to stop demonizing police and start demonizing guns and violence is the only way to overcome poverty. Make the time to watch this unbiased documentary if you love your community.
     
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    Not sure what you're talking about. Today J.Cole is singing songs about the corruption of money and loving yourself, selling records. Kendrick Lamar is writing nobel prize poetry in his songs, top seller, and Drake as always is singing....well...relationship songs...while Eminem sells diss records nowadays I guess. What sells is a variety of artists

    Not sure why you think banning Rap is going to bring violent crime down. Violent crime has been existing in poor areas since the dawn of human cities, and then art reflects it. You even said above that you realize that not all rap is about violence. Rap is very specific to the region it is coming from too.

    Do you know what a narcocorrido is? Do you think if you banned those Mexican Drug Cartels would go away?
     
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    I liked your post based on your personal experience and your insight. I know you are speaking in generalities, so all good. But, there are a lot of good law enforcement officers (for some it may be a family tradition). I agree re: pay and entrance criteria but it seems like it should be more of psych testing (assuming those are reliable) than traditional test taking which could leave out a lot of empathetic, competent individuals.
     
  18. Senator

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    The criteria has to be basic because you aren't getting the most competent to even try out law enforcement. It's just not happening. There has to be more effort from the community to appease the issues they deal with on a daily basis - black, white, old, young officers wi th no issues of "competency" will tell you that. Experience will always override any sort of training . It isn't the military which brings in huge profits so don't expect budgetary changes soon . You can speed up the process , but you have to want it.
     
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    Your lack of competency is disturbing. No one is banning rap, I would ban specific hate speech and narratives that lead to hate speech. When you don't have role models and create a soldier mentality, you are part of the problem. It's like banning ISIS , not Islam.
     
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    Oh my. Please stop.
     

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