Neil Bortz

What about the doctor or doctors who may have treated Bush when he was over there?

Oh wait...

 

this guy is gonna remember the details of some random sailor he treated 30 year ago?

 

It's interesting how you shift the onus of "hating" onto the other side, when the very think you cite is among the more vile episodes of hate-fueled, campaign filth of the political season.

Kerry is a war hero, plain and simple, according to all who were with him and the US Navy (don't give me the swift boat veterans, only one of htem was actually with kerry on his boat, and even that guy's only beef was kerry's anti war activism) and there's nothing any of you people who weren't there with him can do about it.

End of story, see you later.

 

WWWB?

 

How many Purple Hearts were awarded in Vietnam?

How many Purple Hearts did Bush receive?

For that matter, how many Silver or Bronze Stars did Bush receive?

 

Same song, second verse. I can't help but think that some of the Repubs get joy out of this kind of thing. Read the following for insight on the ReThug playbook.

The Hunting of the President: The Ten-Year Campaign to Destroy Bill and Hillary Clinton
by Joe Conason, Gene Lyons

Blinded by the Right: The Conscience of an Ex-Conservative
by David Brock

 

They can run out as many doctors as they want. It'll just remind people that Kerry was in Vietnam.

WWWB?

 

By the way Giddy, it's two O's, as in Boortz.

 

As in Boortz.

 

Didn't you start this thread?

 

Yes, it is plain and simple.

Feb. 28, 1969, was a day that started out badly and got much worse. Kerry and his crewmates were given a mission to take their Swift boat up a canal off the Bay Hap River, surrounded by thick mangrove brush and many, many Vietcong. There were two ambushes.

"I guess we had gotten 800 yards or 1,000 yards at the most," recalled crewmate Fred Short. "And this time, another B-40 rocket hit, and maybe a couple more. But this one was close aboard. It blew the windows out of the crew cabin. I see out of a spider hole a Vietcong stand up dressed in a loin cloth, holding a B-40 rocket."

"Charlie would have lit us up like a Roman candle because we're full of fuel, we're full of ammunition," said Sandusky.

Protocol at the time would be for Kerry's Swift boat to fire to shore and then take evasive action. But Kerry ordered Sandusky, his second-in-command, to drive the boat onto the beach — directly into the ambush.

"I knew right away that, you know, uh-oh, we're in the doo-doo now," Sandusky said. "But, yeah, I knew — you know, John was intent. You know: 'We got to go and get this guy.' There was no way we were going to back down off the beach." Alston recalled: "I know when John Kerry told Del to beach that damn boat, this was a brand-new ball game. We wasn't running. We took it to Charlie."

They saw their enemy up close, Short noted. "I would say he was so close that I could see that he had a mustache, a very weak mustache, that he was growing. I could see the mustache on his face. And things were going slow-motion now, because you feel you were, you know, this is really getting scary."

Things almost went against the sailors. "He needed like, 25, 30 yards to arm that rocket, all right," Sandusky said, "and as we beached, he could not aim it at us. So he got up out of the spider hole, started running."

Tommy Belodeau was manning the boat's M-60 machine gun, Short said. "Tommy in the pit tank winged him in the side of the legs as he was coming across," he said. "But the guy didn't miss stride. I mean, he did not break stride."

Kerry assessed their options quickly, according to Sandusky. "John sized up the situation and realized that once Tommy had started shooting at the guy and wounded him in the leg, you know, that this was the only course of action — you know, John was going to chase this guy down and kill him. 'Cause if he didn't, we were all dead."

The man was still running down a path when they got to the bank. Kerry, Belodeau and Michael McDarris, in hot pursuit, saw the Vietcong soldier. Short recalled: "The guy was getting ready to stand up with a rocket on his shoulder, coming up. And Mr. Kerry took him out … he would have been about a 30-yard shot. Which, we were dead in the water up on the bank, point blank. If he missed us, he would have to, you know — there's no way he could miss us. He could've thrown a rock and taken me out."

The others agreed that it was a close call. "If this guy would have got up, and he had a clear shot at us, we would have been history," Thorson said. "Wouldn't have been no doubt about it." "If that RPG had exploded in the pilot house or anywhere in that area," Short said, "we were toast."



http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cach...r+beached&hl=en

Quote:

In March, 1969 JimRassman was a Green Beret in Vietnam when the river boat he was riding hit a mine in the Hap River and came under heavy enemy fire from the banks. A short distance ahead, then-Navy Lt. Kerry was in command of a Swift Boat also under attack. Kerry, wounded in the arm, ordered his boat to turn around. He directed his gunners to provide suppressing fire, then moved into an exposed position on the bow to pull Rassman out of the water




Quote:
Reading Brinkley’s book, one wonders why Kerry’s campaign does not make more of another occasion when Kerry was sharply reprimanded for having stepped ashore. On a narrow tributary of the Duong Keo River, he and his crew came upon what looked like a deserted village. Then someone thought he saw a man running away. There was no response to a call for surrender, and Kerry took his gun and went to have a look. As he approached, forty-two Vietnamese—women, children, and old men—appeared with empty hands raised. They were in desperate shape, hungry and sick, and although Kerry received radio instructions to leave them and get on with the business of killing enemy combatants, he herded the villagers onto boats and took them to the nearest American base to receive food and medical care. “For an afternoon,” he told Brinkley, “it felt good to really be helping the Vietnamese instead of destroying their villages.”


http://mitchcohen.blogspot.com/2004/07/forty-four.html


You are simply dead wrong, and your fixation on this aspect is disingenuous and the product of hate, envy, and negativity, rather than the product of any intellectual curiosity on your part.

 

YOU are the one who brought this up, not me, not Sam, and not Kerry. You can claim that Kerry didn't "deserve" the PH all you want, but you cut your own candidate's throat with the claim because HE DIDN'T EVEN GO!

I know that you (and the GOP) are just trying to obfuscate, but the fact remains that Kerry was a war hero while GWB was deeply embroiled in "youthful indiscretions."

 

My point in asking that question was to illustrate that it is extremely unlikely that any physician could recall the specific details of a 30+ year old visit, especially when so many people were hurt in that war.