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[Movie] The Avengers

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by rcoleman15, Jun 25, 2008.

  1. LCII

    LCII Member

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    Why does everyone tell me iron man dies in the avengers movies? Damn troll friends and their fake spoilers.
     
  2. mrm32

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    Lol I've been saying that since before the private screenings.
     
  3. Jontro

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    Umm.. I don't know which fake Avengers movie you watched, but Ironman does die in the movie everyone else watched.
     
  4. emjohn

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    Well, if others are overstating the impossibility, you may be overselling the possibility. Every account has said that Marvel would have to unload a tanker of cash to get back their various movie rights, and seeing how they just made more on the Avengers than Sony or FOX did with any one of their individual films....I'm going to assume that Marvel's cost-benefit analysis tells them that they don't need to worry about it.

    They CAN do it...but it is fiscally unrealistic.


    And for everyone's benefit:

    Sony: Spiderman, Ghost Rider

    FOX: Fantastic Four (+ Dr Doom and Silver Surfer), X-Men, Daredevil and Elektra

    Marvel recently reacquired Punisher and Blade. It's murky who has the rights on Namor - he was teased at the end of FF2 as well as various Iron Man 2 easter eggs.

    I've had crossed fingers that Daredevil would slip back to Marvel and we could get a crossover movie with him and Punisher....but FOX is rebooting to hold onto the franchise:
    http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/nailbiter111/news/?a=58744

    IMO, the franchise Marvel most needs to get back is FF. Not for the heros, but for the tie in characters: Doom, Surfer, Skrulls, etc.

    That's one thing I didn't like about the Avengers starting in the early 90s. Especially once Marvel dipped into financial trouble, they chased cheap sales by grabbing every Marvel character they could, looking not just to prop up Avenger sales, but get kids interested in other titles as well.

    In my nerdy opinion, it was pure sellout when they put Spiderman and Wolverine in the Avengers.

    The Core Avengers, IMO:
    Captain America - Thor - Iron Man
    Hank Pym - Wasp - Hawkeye - Scarlett Witch - Vision - Panther - Wonder Man

    Then you've got the side ones/short era/reserve types
    Carol Danvers - (the electrical) Captain Marvel - Namor - She-Hulk
    Swordsman - Black Knight
    Beast - Hulk - Quicksilver - Falcon
    Tigra - Starfox - Dr Druid - Mockingbird - Mantis

    Then they opened the floodgates, and damn near half the X-Men and just about the entire non-mutant population of Marvel got to rotate through in some fashion. Meh.
     
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  5. emjohn

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    Your link was having problems coming across, even if I tried going to the url directly. I assume this was the pic?

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  6. Xerobull

    Xerobull ...and I'm all out of bubblegum

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    I agree on the FF license. They can't really do a good 'cosmic' storyline without some of the FF characters and races.

    Namor- he might belong to Fox in the same capacity that Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch do, since they made him the 'first mutant' several years ago. So they may be able to use him in the Avengers area.

    I'd love to see a Marvel Knights team with Ghost Rider, Blade, Daredevil, and Punisher all in a gritty street-level movie. Maybe throw in Luke Cage and Iron Fist.

    And while we're all speculating, I hope that they have Black Panther in the next Avengers. He's a great character (and one of my son's favorites).
     
  7. Ziggy

    Ziggy QUEEN ANON

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    Nobody cares about Vision these days. Damn kids growing up with no Vision. Sad world.
     
  8. got em COACH

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  9. Cowboy_Bebop

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    So I wonder. What company has the rights to the SUPER VILLIANS? Galactus(FOX, Fantastic 4)? Skrulls? Silver Surfer(not a bad guy but...FOX, Fantastic 4)? Thanos(Avengers, Daredevil, FOX, Marvel Studios)? Doctor Doom(FOX, Fantastic 4)?

    Man, FOX really need to reboot Fantastic 4 with a big budget. They have killer Super Villians.
     
  10. emjohn

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    I do wonder about Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver. She was prominently an Avenger (Quicksilver less so), but they're both Magneto's kids and originally X-Men villains. My guess is FOX has them, but she wouldn't be difficult to negotiate back over.

    It's tied in to the host franchise. Everyone you put down is correct. Fox, via FF, are withholding a motherload of villains that spill over across the Marvel franchises. The aliens in Avengers had to be tweaked because of FOX owning the Skrulls.

    Spiderman's not a big deal, since his gallery didn't develop many "cross-rivals" with other heroes.
     
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    Since Avengers was so successful they need to role out Secret Wars. Loved those comics when I was a kid.

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  12. justtxyank

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    Except, as already covered, Marvel doesn't have the necessary character rights to do the series.
     
  13. justtxyank

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    Daredevil is a FOX property and they are working to relaunch it. I don't understand why Fox has difficulty with how to do superhero movies. Daredevil in particular. Take a look at the Batman movies. That believability exists for Daredevil. Run with it. Go noir. No reason to do mainstream ordinary film. Go dark.

    I'd like to see someone risk it with Daredevil and go PG-13 or R and be really dark.
     
  14. dmenacela

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    I would say the rest of the characters belong to Marvel if no deal has mentioned a character. since we saw Thanos at the end of avengers, he may be written into the avengers contract which gives disney full rights.
     
  15. dmenacela

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    It's interesting to note that in 2009 (wikipedia) the Walt Disney Company acquired Marvel Entertainment. You could say that acquisition happened after Marvel had deals with Fox and Sony for the Spiderman and Fantastic Four franchises. Going forward, marvel would probably assume to deal directly with Disney Motion Pictures group going forward.
     
  16. emjohn

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    Got an answer on Witch & Petro

    They can appear in either X-Men or Avengers, but full into weird "separate but equal" rules. Avengers essentially couldn't give them a backstory that includes the words mutant, Magneto, or anything else that ties into X-Men.

    http://www.superherohype.com/featur...nterview-with-marvel-studios-prez-kevin-feige
    That would be the t***...but I just can't see it happening in the live action film front.

    The silver lining is that Marvel's able to do a lot more with their animated series. I don't *think* Spiderman or the X-Men are fair game, but they've already tossed in the FF, Skrulls, and Doom in the cartoon (which isn't too bad).
     
  17. justtxyank

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    What animated series?
     
  18. emjohn

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    The contracts each name a laundry list of characters that feature under the umbrella, and there seems to be a "I call dibs" arrangement for certain characters - if you use them first, you get the rights moving forward.

    Thanos was never a feature guy for any of the outside studio franchises, so I doubt he was ever listed in their contracts, just like Iron Man, Thor, etc.


    The backstory is that the post (1st) Gulf War Recession sent Marvel into bankruptcy, and one of the steps they took to become solvent was sell film/distribution rights to New Line, Lionsgate, FOX, and Sony.

    When FOX and Sony hit a gusher with X-Men and Spiderman, and the company finally having some cash again, Marvel looked into getting into the business themselves (post-Batman, the genre had been dicey at best and a heavy financial risk). They struck a deal with Paramount to form Marvel Studios.

    So Marvel Studios was included in the Disney purchase, but Paramount gets a slice of Avengers and Iron Man 3 as part of the buy out agreement.
     
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  19. morpheus133

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    The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes

    The animation looks bad at first glance, but the story lines are actually pretty good from the two episodes I have caught, and the art kind of grew on me.
     
  20. Cowboy_Bebop

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    I think another HULK movie which introduces a SHE-HULK will be successful.
     

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