Acually, you choose to post that Don Lemon video because its the one you agree with most. Don Lemon has talked about the racism he's xperienced and has told stories about that but you don't post those videos. It's you choosing what you want to see. You cite problems like rap music that are really symptoms of much deeper problems like how racism impacts opportunities in black communities and problems in how segregation, formerly strictly racial which is now wealth based but still runs heavily along racial lines, affects educational opportunities. You don't address the drug war and how it's disproportionately targeted the poor who are disproportionately black. You don't address law enforcement and the justice system that disproportionately discriminates against blacks. You don't address things like the lottery, sort of a poor tax, which disproportionately targets the poor who are disproportionately black. You want to talk about ****ing rap music. You're not serious and we know you're not serious because rap music is just like any other form of entertainment. White kids buy a hell of a lot of rap music but you're not talking about some epidemic of white kids who dress like idiots and listen to rap music now are you? Why is that? Oh, because in every category that matters white kids overall have far greater opportunities and far fewer challenges than black kids. So when you want to talk about real problems and how to solve them, starting with rap music is a ****ing joke and that's why you get those responses. When you want to talk about reforming education, providing safer neighborhoods, reforming law enforcement and the justice system, providing parenting skills, reforming the drug war, the constant racial gerrymandering, and addressing poverty then we can have a serious discussion. Until then, you keep talking about rap music and see how far that gets you.
Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are on the same level with Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck imho. Smart crooks who trick their not so educated/well-read followers into believing the B.S they are selling. I doubt whether Sharpton or Jackson have ever truly cared about black people.
Quote from the clip: “It shouldn’t matter if someone is black, white, brown, purple, green, Democrat or Republican. If the truth they speak is saving lives, then no matter what their intentions or background, we should listen. Attack the problem, not the messenger.” Lemon said, “if you’re not doing this, then it doesn’t apply to you, I’m not talking to you.” Sure, he doesn’t want to put everyone in a box but he is in touch with reality. He sees that specific problems prevalent in the black community and he is trying to do something to improve the situation. It’s sad when people of any race have to quote MLK, Malcom X, or Don Lemon to say something constructive to black people or face being called a racist. Meanwhile, Don Lemon has been called a “slave” and a “house n*gga”. Take a guess at who might be calling him those names. He even prefaced the segment by saying he was going to receive the Uncle Tom award. Yes, racism exists like I’ve already mentioned in my earlier posts in this thread. But again, I’ll quote Don Lemon: “Even if you do all of the right things, and make a billion dollars like Oprah, you will probably still face discrimination. Welcome to life.” Meanwhile, black kids are killed in the streets of Chicago every day and the NAACP leadership can’t name a single victim. I explained my own life experience and told it honestly. If you can’t accept that experience then I’m sorry. I started at the same point as the kids in that video. We went to school together and had the opportunity to get the same education. After that, it’s everyone’s individual choice to make sure they graduate. Who is “you guys”? You’re saying I’m being subtle basically implying I’m racist. That’s always where the conversation goes when someone can’t handle the criticism. My solution is don’t have babies out of wedlock, don’t commit crimes and go to college. It goes back to the Don Lemon Clip where he discussed personal responsibility. More people need to speak out about it. That’s another way to fight the problem. I brought up the mainstream media because it is an avenue to influence people. The mainstream media covered the Trayvon Martin case enough that Obama felt the need to weigh in on the case. When the mainstream media talks about an issue that is disproportionately plaguing specific communities it will get addressed and get more attention. But like I said, Jesse Jackson won’t get paid to get on the air to talk about those things.
Nope. Bill O'reily has no right to comment on black america. Not this guy whose surprised that black people aren't hoot and hollering at restaurants. Okay, so then you also understand that black people ARE racially profiled then? Since you are saying that Lemon is in touch with reality and he had plenty to say about that like the week before. It's sad that we are comparing what MLK or Malcom X have said...and Done to what Don Lemon said. Yes they(NAACP) can. You are just straight up ignoring the proof. Al Sharpton himself http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...ey-pendleton-hadiya-pendleton-easter-egg-roll knew all about this...this was in what..March? Al Sharpton himself recently rented a place in Chicago to get closer to the issue. I'm not defending Sharpton here, but if HE is following the issue then the others are too and have been. I get tired of someone that usually doesn't give a **** about what black people do all of sudden pop their head into it...like oh say Bill O'Reily. Because the truth is the NAACP was on this back in JANUARY http://www.naacp.org/press/entry/na...resident-barack-obamas-plan-to-end-gun-violen NOT only that but the violence in Chicago has been declining and there has been A LOT of focus on it. That's reality. So can we end this myth now? I know Fox news and right wing media peddled it down the throats of its viewers enough for it to stick during the Martin thing but it's a myth and not true at all. That's nice and all but why try to extrapolate your life story to the nation? My life story is that most the black people I know go on to college and do pretty well for themselves. So there. You guys is the right and the others that try to continue to push these negative stereotypes and back them up with flimsy stats. When you say "Black people need to stop having babies out of wedlock, committing crimes, and go to college." then you're being subtle about it. You need to explain WHY black people are doing this. Otherwise I take it for what you said...which is black people need to stop committing crimes, having babies, and get smart. Is it because black people are just lazy or what? Maybe it's because what others have been trying to tell you all along that it's more of a class than a race thing? Either those two or it's rap music or this big black culture thing they throw around without explaining what exactly is black culture (then if they do it's 'those darn sagging pants!) Which is it? Sure the solution is simple enough but finding the solution means knowing what the cause of the problem is in the first place. Again usually I hear it is 'That darn rap music!' or the racist view that black people are just violent and dumb. I'd say the more rational view is that it is more of a class issue AND there are still some hurdles for black people to jump when it comes to profiling, but not major hurdles. As for the problem with black culture itself I point you to this again... http://www.timwise.org/2013/08/what...le-a-modest-call-for-personal-responsibility/
to answer OP's question, usually blacks and hispanics. The 2 minorities who's trying to become the majority in this country.
You stopped reading because you're full it. You want to talk about victimhood and **** like that. It's rap music, victimhood, Jesse Jackson, etc. Whatever. That's bull**** that conservatives and angry white people want to talk about because it reinforces their own stereotypes and their agenda. Those aren't the causes of problems, they're the symptoms.
I'm sorry but I'm not going to get into discussions with people that get into 20 line tangents about how I'm criticizing rap music when I never once mentioned rap music. You came into this thread believing you knew exactly what I was thinking and went off on a random tangent about it. That was almost comical.
Hah. I just will say this one last thing. There is no amount of statistical or anecdotal evidence that will convince someone there is a problem if they don't want to believe there is a problem. Obama saying no more excuses or that blacks are disproportionately involved as victims and perpetrators in the criminal justice system will not convince someone there is a problem. I’ve already agreed that we can combat racism and take personal accountability at the same time. But the conversation is pretty one dimensional in favor of combating racism. I believe there is so much more that the black community can do for themselves. If that makes a racist I'm sorry. I believe that problems in the black community is a problem for everyone. That's all I have to say about it.
Thanks and as expected... So just ignore that the stats that some are judging black people are...could be disingenuous and harmful, lets just ignore that. That black people ARE doing exactly what you say they should be doing according to numbers, lets just ignore all of that. http://www.timwise.org/2013/08/defl...-black-america-and-the-facts-to-counter-them/ I'll just say the reverse. If someone wants to truly believe all these negative stereotypes about black people they are going to and no amount of stats, evidence, or otherwise will change their minds. They already have this notion that 'black culture' is the problem and they don't even know what that is but yet can identify it as a problem.
White people to me arent really sensitive they just seem to have high opinions of themselves, to me personally black people are the worst, to me they bring it on themselves, the lazy stereotype doesnt come out of nowhere and the stats prove it. I am not a racist im mexican and we can be sensitive also but one thing we cant be called is lazy.
Which stats are these again? Also sorry to break the news to you, yes Mexican's can be racist too...lol... I wonder if you believe all the very same stereotypes that are also thrown at Mexican's especially. A lot of them usually the same stereotypes
Unemployment rate is higher in the black community than any other ethnic community, you dont need stats to see whats in front of you, ive been to Atlanta, Memphis, Charlotte, Jacksonville and many other places and black people seem to be the only ones out during the day walking while most people are at their jobs working. If that doesnt tell you something idk what will
We don't need stats? So instead we just go by what we see now and assume? Yeah so if a black person robs a bank you now can say "Black people are such criminals! I saw one rob a bank therefore it applies to all or most!" how convenient. That sure will help our society. So you see black people walking outside in Atlanta...could it possibly be because oh I don't know...that like over 50% of Atlanta is black? Could be it. I see hispanic people walking outside during working hours too, hmmm I'm going to assume it's because they don't have a job instead of coming to the logical conclusion that I live in Houston where a lot of hispanic people reside. Out of all the people that have posted here you quite frankly sound the most racist of them all. You don't even consider if there are other factors that contribute to it being the highest, you just assume "That's because they are lazy." and even so, it's not drastically high when compared to say that of EVEN THOUGH you can compare black people with college degrees to white people with college degrees and the rate is still double. I guess that's because those black people are just lazy right? By the way these numbers are not and have not been always favorable for Hispanics either while you are talking.
Like I said, you posted a selected video that you agree with however Don Lemon has talked about the racism he's experienced and that doesn't matter to you. The video referenced rap music and you directly referenced victim hood and Jesse Jackson. What you have failed to address is any of the root causes to problems in that community. You are providing the same song and dance that rarely works for any problem. You are Nancy Reagan telling kids just say no except complicated, deeply rooted problems don't get solved with slogans. You think gangs are the problem, victim hood is the problem, and they're not. They are the symptoms. I do find it incredibly odd the need to juxtapose coverage of murdered black kids in Chicago against Trayvon Martin, as if black people are the ones that control that coverage. Who knew they were so powerful.
The clip never mentioned anything negative about rap music either. The only mention he made was complementing new rappers that are talking about social issues which was one sentence in a 13 minute clip. Again, you're reinforcing the fact that you didn't pay attention to anything I posted. I'm not going to bother addressing anything else you've written as you've lost credibility to have any meaningful discussion. This is not to mention the fact that you and others in this thread are very presumptuous of who I am and what I believe. FYI, hip hop is my favorite genre of music. I'm done.
