i was just wondering... i know we have some sorta trade exception, and we've been talking a lot about getting some more depth at the SG spot. i was always impressed with how offensively-skilled David Wesley was when he played alongside Mashburn and Baron Davis on those Hornets teams in Charlotte and NO. when he came here, we seemingly depended on him on his defensive abilities, b/c he seemed to have lost a lot of his shot-making ability on the offensive end. now, we've been talking a lot about our trade assets. it's pretty obvious that Moochie, Charlie Ward, and Vin Baker are totally expendable and really don't offer us anything, in the past, right now, or in the future. we've also been throwing around dealing Wesley, Sura, or Mike James, if necessary, to procure some big-name SG, PG, PF. call me sentimental, but after watching our run in the playoffs, and watching those last three players' contributions, i'd hate to see them go. but, out of those last three, the person i'd least mind leaving would be Wesley, as long as we could maybe get someone else to take on his defensive role with the team. now, maybe this doesn't solve a damn thing, but it's just an idea, so hear me out. Wesley is undersized, and is possible trade bait. Moochie, poor guy, just sits on the bench, is an un-used quality back-up PG, and will be making $4.2 million this year, according to HoopsHype.com. we all know how much whooped-boy Doug Christie has been hating it in Orlando, and how he even started sulking and decided to pretty much sit out the season after being shipped out of Sacto. i read in the orlando sentinel how there are still serious doubts about whether or not Christie cares to return to the team this year, recovering from his surgery and all. this season, according to HoopsHype.com, he will be making $8.2 million. it's also true that, since Stevie's move to SG, their only real PG on the payroll is Jameer Nelson, an undersized PG, but a baller nonetheless. somebody mentioned earlier in one of the threads how the Rockets may have an interest in Stromile or in Bobby Simmons or whoever the thread was about, but we also have to analyze what interest they'd have in the Rockets. thinking that over, Christie doesn't want to play (and probably WON'T play) in Orlando, O-Town doesn't have a back-up PG, we have a trade exception, Moochie is just sitting on our bench, and b/c of our PG glut, we have no plans/intentions to use him ever except in some kinda transaction. so why not trade Moochie and the TE for Doug Christie? this seems like a trade that would help everyone. i know Christie is a risk b/c he's coming back from an injury - but then again, we wouldn't be using Moochie's spot on the roster for anything anyway. so why not trade for Christie, and then, if he helps us, it's a bonus, and he could always take Wesley's spot on our team in case Wesley gets hurt or traded or whatever. and we all know Christie is pretty much defensive-minded. before there was Bruce Bowen or Tayshaun, there was Doug Christie. he won't be that much of an improvement offensively over Wesley. but yeah. holla back.
ummm...i think it's been posted numerous times that you cannot package a TE with a player in a trade, correct me if i'm wrong.
Well technically couldn't a trade like this be broken down into two seperate parts? For example: with the T-Mac trade, the part of the trade that nobody talks about is how both teams exchanged trade exceptions. Anybody with any further info just for clarification purposes?
oops - i also forgot to mention that we kinda should dump Featherspoon and his $6.353 million salary, too. without Moochie, Charlie Ward, Vin Baker, or Featherspoon, and w/o our free agents, here's what our roster looks like: C :: Yao PF :: Juwan SF :: T-Mac SG :: Wesley, Luther Head PG :: Bobby Sura, Mike JONES, who, MIKE JONES [heh - just kidding - Mike James] obviously, we : 1) need to resign Deke to backup Yao. 2) should resign swingman Jon Barry to help out at the 1, 2, and 3. 3) should look at resigning Bowen or Padgett, if for no reason, then b/c they'd still be able contribute, and they'd come cheap. considering our Mid-Level Exception and our Trade Exception, our 1st Round Picks in the Future, our combined $16.303 million in trade bait [Moochie, Charlie Ward, Vin Baker, Spoon], and the $5-7 million that the salary cap is supposed to rise, we have a lot of options. hopefully, we will use them on the following :: 1) Bobby Simmons 2) Antonio Daniels 3) SAR or 'Fat-oine' or Donyell Marshall 4) Possibly Doug Christie, as insurance for Wesley no one really has mentioned Bonzi Wells. the Grizz have a $8 mill team option on him that they haven't picked up, i don't believe, so he could be available. i know he has attitude problems, but he's still worth considering b/c he doesn't suck defensively, and can absolutely blow-up on the offensive end. speaking of attitude problems, i think it'd be fun to offer Rodman a 10 day contract, or put him on our summer league team [i know it's too late, now], and see what happens. he has a lot to prove, so let's give him that chance.
thanks for the encouragement. now that you've said what you had to say, w/ my suggestion in mind, what would you do/change to make it feasible? like baller mentioned in the very next post, what options are out there? it was a mental lapse. sorry. and chill out.
Putting aside Doug's health, age, and wife issues(and those are pretty big issues), I could see moving dead weight to get some other teams dead weight that has more of a chance of contributing, not to mention perhaps freeing up a roster spot. But why would Orlando do this? Moochie is not even a servicable backup in the league anymore. They have no need for Baker or Spoon. They aren't going to trade just to help us out or to please Doug. Maybe if Wisebrood was still there this would be a done deal.
Biggienaz786, OK I'll respond to your last post. -For sure we want to bring back Deke. WE can use the early bird in a two year deal so as not to break into exemptions (MLE, LLE). -We most probably want to bring back Barry. I think they only way we wouldn't is 3-4 of these things happen where we just don't have any SG PT available--a) we acquire a big time shooter (Mobes/Simmons/Kittles/Finley); b) Wesley is not moved; c) Spanoulis looks ready to substantially contribute and can knock down 3s; and/or d) Head looks ready. Assuming only 2 or less happen, it makes perfect sense to bring back JB in like up a 1 year 2 mil deal --which we can do without breaking into an exemption (he is a qualifying free agent for us). We might even get him for about 1 mil (his vet min), but I think the nice gesture would be for 2 mil--it is only Les's money and not effect cap flexibility as the contract will be off the books next year anyway. -Padget or Bowen, probably bring back one as a 10th man type, probably Padget, but just depends on JH coming back and the PF we need to acquire this offseason (later point). If we got AW Bowen might make more sense, if we got Swift (no long range shot) or SAR (can play back-up 3), Padget might make more sense. -The players with expiring contracts may stay, may go, totally depends on S&Ts salary combinations that may go down. Impossible to predict, though Wesley, the one guy among them who still belongs on an NBA roster, can be a stop gap starter or 1st rate back-up for another team for a year in addition to an expiring contract, and thus would be most appealing for some other teams. -James and Sura will be back unless a trading partner (part of AW, Swift deal; though less lihkely, to Seattle for AD) really wants them. One of them could go, have to wait. -Daniels is very unlikely, unless Seattle wanted James or Sura as a cheaper replacement. Besides, with the Head pick, he may not offer much over Sura/James/Head. Supposedly Cleveland is probably going to get AD. -Simmons is highly unlikely to leave the Clips except for a bigger than MLE contract, which we can't offer. I see this as very remote, not from the Rockets wants perspective, from the player's money perspective. -AW, SAR, Swift and DM would be the logical PF targets, with maybe Reggie Evans and a few other restricted FAs as other options. -I think I'd rather go with Kittles or Spree or Wells (if for cheap, not full MLEs) than Christie. Though there are better possible MLE options like Mobley or Finley than all these other SGs (again I don't think Simmons is a realistic MLE option). -Forget Rodman, been toast for what 5 years. Chuck Hayes (on our summer roster) or James Thomas (released from Atl) would be better flyers.
Christie would be a nice role player, his defense is still good. I would only consider that move in a salary dump situation.
doug christie can't contribute anything to any club anymore. didn't see what happened last season in sacramento. the mobley for christie trade was possibly the worst trade of the season. christie was ONCE a good player but not anymroe.
oh man, i dont care if christie plays for the rox, i'm still gonna taunt him relentlessly for being such a giant poosie. lets do it!
Even though I personally don't like Christie, if a deal was on the table where all we were giving up was Moochie to get him you have to do it. Realistically, Moochie probably isn't going to play or have the opportunity to contribute. If you find a GM willing to deal Christie for a player we don't need & with a longer contract than Christie's---then why not? There's not much logic in this if you're Orlando unless you go under the "Anybody is better than Travis Diener, why the hell did we bother drafting him" mentality.
Hmmm... coulda sworn I saw a thread or ten about him over the last couple of weeks. Now see, Biggienaz? How can we possibly take anything else you've said seriously after this? You want to sign a 44-year-old who has played a total of 35 games in the NBA in the last SEVEN YEARS?!?
Christie isn't worth much now, it seems, but I agree with the sentiment of this thread. The Doug Christie of a couple years ago would be my ideal SG to replace Wesley and play SG next to T-Mac - 6-6, great defender, three-point range, Mr. Intangible. Unfortunately, it does come down to why does either team do it. Christie's coming off ankle surgery and a dismal season and has one year left on his deal. The only guys we would offer are also dead-weights with expiring contracts. What's the point for either team?
