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Mobley or Wagner?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Possum, May 18, 2002.

  1. Possum

    Possum Member

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    Who do you think would be a better backcourt tandem Mobley and Francis or Wagner and Fracncis? I haven’t seen Wagner play but from what I have read Wagner is a sick offensive player who can create a shot anytime he wants.

    Here’s the reason for the question. Its been reported here that the Clippers would want Mobley for Odom. What if we end up picking 6 or 7 and Woods Dunleavy and Butler are all gone? Now Wagner is the best available player. Would you draft Wagner and trade Mobley and 15 to the Clippers for Odom and 12? Think about it we could come out of this draft with Wagner, Odom and Hilario or Stoudemare.

    If Wagner were as good as reported we would not be losing any firepower in our backcourt. We would be getting the SF everyone here has been wanting and we would be getting a big young athletic aggressive center that would make Cato work harder in practice.


    I think the Rockets would have to consider this if the ping-pong balls don’t fall our way. KT and Mobley are our only tradable commodities. KT isn’t going to bring us equal return because he is considered a tweener. Odom is the only player I can think of that has contract/talent to bring us fair value for Mobley.

    I like the fact that we would be keeping the hardworking KT.
     
  2. NIKEstrad

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    Getting WAAAY ahead of yourself.

    a.) It's been RUMORED here that we're looking into Odom.
    b.) It's been Clutch's OPINION that Mobley is not untouchable.

    It has not been reported what the Clippers would want, or even if they are serious about trading Odom. Certainly, no mention of Odom for Mobley here.

    Logically, why would Cuttino interest the Clippers? They have right now, Quentin Richardson, who they like a LOT, and Eric Piatkowski who is basically their only veteran that plays, both playing pretty exclusively at SG, plus Corey Maggette gets minutes there, and there's some thought that Keyon Dooling will develop there. The Clippers are LOADED with talented, athletic swingmen-they need a PG, and some size, not a 6'4'' shooting guard.

    Mobley would probably be the leading guy pulling to acquire Odom, not to be traded for him.

    Personally, I'll stay away from Wagner unless we HAVE to trade Mobley to improve this team (ie get Yao Ming). People compare him to Iverson, but he's not as quick, and not as good a shooter. Iverson learned how to be a winner in the league, and Wagner will have to attempt to do the same thing-the odds are against that happening.
     
  3. Possum

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    From what I have read we inquired about Odom and the Clippers brought up Mobleys name. Am I wrong?:confused: I will look for that post but I'm pretty sure that is what I read.
     
  4. Rocketblast

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    I hope this isn't true. If we got Odom at all, I hoped that we would trade a the #5 draft pick and Kenny Thomas for him, not Cuttino Mobley.
     
  5. bigboymumu

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    Mobley isn't going anywhere. Like Nike said, Odom will come here because of Cat not for Cat.
     
  6. knifejc

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    i know mobley isn't the biggest 2 guard....but isn't wagner shorter than Cat. Our backcourt doesn't need to get smaller
     
  7. Possum

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    You guys crack me up. Nikestrad you act like Mobley has complete say in the matter. :rolleyes: Guess what he doesn’t.

    Bigboy you think Odom wouldn’t want to come here and play with S Francis if Mobleys not here? He is still under contract and it doesn’t really matter what he wants but I bet he wouldn’t mind.

    You’re all missing the point anyway. It’s most likely that we will end up with the 6 or 7 pick in this draft. This is just a scenario that we could be faced with in that situation. If we are going to improve our team were going to have to make some tough decisions. If trading your beloved Cat will help us improve then it needs to be done.

    Knifejc your are correct. Mobley is 6'4" and Wagner is listed at 6'2". Like I said I haven’t even seen Wagner play but from what I have been reading about him it shouldn’t matter on the offensive end and its not like Cat is the greatest defender in the world anyway.
     
  8. Sane

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    No way, that backcourt is too small. Plus, they'd never co exist. Mobley has a say in it. He should be making a lot more money than he is. Francis DEFINITELY has a say in it, and you KNOW what he's going to say.


    I think the Clipps would accept KT, Moochie and #5 for Odom and Dooling?

    Then they can trade #5, #8, #12 for Jay Williams.

    Then sign n trade Mcinnis for Jumaine Jones and Doleac?

    Kandi/Doleac
    Brand/KT/Jones
    Miles/Maggette/Jones
    Piatowski/Q Richardson
    Jay Williams/Moochie


    We have:

    Cato/#15
    MoTay/Griff/T-Mo
    Odom/Rice/T-Mo
    Mobley/Torres/2nd rounder (Dixon?)
    Francis/Dooling/2nd rounder (Dixon?)


    If we get any of these with #15, it would be great:

    Hilario
    Stoudamire
    Borchdart
    Ely
    Haislip
    (LAST CHOICE) Marcus

    and with the 2nd, we got one of these:

    Dixon
    Juan Carlos Navarro
    Lenny Cooke
    Tito Maddox
    Steve Logan
    Elvin Mimms

    Then I'd be happy. In teh unlikelyy even that Caron Butler is available at #15, I'd like to take him and refine his skills for a season as backup SF/SG. Then pick Ralph Sampson or Darius Songaila with the 2nd rounder.
     
  9. Pat

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    How do you KNOW what Francis is going to say?
     
  10. JayZ750

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    No he didn't...he just actually read what was posted on this board before turning it into something completely new as you did.

    Anyway...since it was too hard for you too look up what was actually said here it is, by Clutch:

    Spoke to Doc Rocket, and apparently Lamar Odom isn't just wishful thinking. Well, OK, it still is, but not just fan dreaming -- the Rockets share that thinking. I think there are some who envision Lamar running a good chunk of the show from a playmaking standpoint, and freeing Francis up for some shooting guard.

    Francis playing two guard will be a serious consideration this summer. Or maybe playing point and not having all the quarterback duties. No one is safe (hope Cuttino is reading) from deals - that continues to be the word.


    ...and he further went along to clarify that:

    no one said to me that Mobley is on the block by any means.

    Nike not only told you this but further argued (very well I think) why the Clippers really dont need a SG and why, if anything, the acquisition of Odom would be a good fit with Mobley on this team, and not by trading Mobley to get Odom.
     
  11. Sane

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    Who doesn't know Francis wants Mobley on his team?
     
  12. Rocket River

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    this would be a stretch because . .
    the team that is ahead of them
    on the draft would have to be willing to trade down
    for 3 picks. . . would chicago? Maybe

    Who else

    Rocket River
     

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