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Militants Overrun Mosul

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rocketsjudoka, Jun 10, 2014.

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  1. GladiatoRowdy

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    Too bad Bush effed that chicken, eh?
     
  2. GladiatoRowdy

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    Everything that guy just said is bullsh!t.

    Thank you.

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  3. GladiatoRowdy

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    Weren't we in Iraq a decade? That's slightly more than a "year or two," no matter how desperately you want to forget the Bush presidency.
     
  4. rocketsjudoka

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    Yes and of course as you pointed out earlier Germany is exactly the same as Iraq except Germans are white and well Japan and South Korea are exactly the same as Iraq except that those people are Asian..

    Do you really not understand how incredibly different those situations were when compared to Iraq?
     
  5. rocketsjudoka

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    I find it also ironic that many of those who were criticizing Obama for military action in Libya and considering sending troops into Syria are now up in arms, pun intended, about not sending troops back into Iraq.

    Many of them raised some sound points regarding why we shouldn't be going back to the Middle East then yet they are now using the same language about that the Obama Admin. had about the need to stabilize things.

    I have no doubt that if Obama had said he would commit troops back to Iraq as soon as Mosul fell they would be criticizing Obama for going back to Iraq.
     
  6. magnetik

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    Thanks CIA/State Dept for funneling all those arms through Benghazi! You made this bed.. time to sleep in it.
     
  7. SamFisher

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    hahahaha, it always goes back to Benghazi, doesn't it?
     
  8. GladiatoRowdy

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    You do realize that Benghazi and Iraq are nowhere near each other and that those arms would have had to travel through Egypt, Israel, and Syria/Jordan to get to Iraq, right?

    10 hours by plane and you have to get a connecting flight. Over land, it is a 52 hour drive through all the countries I mentioned.

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    I don't understand why you guys discuss this as some sort of a domestic issue between Republicans and Democrats, rather than looking at what fuels these ISIS guys - the ideology that is driving them and how they get their funding. Maybe you should focus on the actual enemy rather than on the domestic opponent.
     
  11. tallanvor

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    It really shouldn't be a partisan issue. Running a war poorly should be detested by all (except the enemy).
     
  12. Dubious

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    Most of us are Americans, what interests us is the how's, why's and future of US involvement. The same people have been fighting over the same ground for 4,000 years and will continue to do so.

    If you want to discus the future of humans in regards to tribalism and religion there is really nothing new or changing on horizon for century or so. This like all wars, these are really economic, which group controls the economic situation, and who is the exploited underclass. The religious associations are just a way to pick sides.

    For us, the picking is between the 1% and corporate interest that use social issue to gain the support of common people and the people that want to allocate our nation's rich resources for the greater good of more people over the longer term, even though our side has been bought and paid for too and the two party system is only maintained for the purposes of appearances.

    money buys power that earns money that buys power until their is only one power that has all the money.
     
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    And yet not a peep from this likes you, basso and texxx for 7 years while Bush destroyed a country.
     
  14. tallanvor

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    I thought Bush did a mediocre job running the Iraq war. why would i complain? Obama has obviously done a **** job.
     
  15. Dubious

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    Mr. Obama's election mandate was to wind the wars down and get us out of combat in Central Asia. He is doing that.

    Once we pay for the ones we fought and figure out a way to take care of our veterans of them for the next 30 years, then we can think about firing them back up. In the meantime, we have a crumbling infrastructure, outdated energy system, and dwindling middle class to worry about.

    It's like trying to save every charitable case you know about from your own budget. You know you can't do everything, you can't do the impossible but you do what you can do while maintaining your own ability to live and be productive.
     
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    I think you completely misjudge what is going on, and dangerously downplay it. Just in the past few days, 48 people were murdered in Kenya in the name of Islam, countless people in Iraq and Syria in the most brutal fashion imaginable by ISIS, countless people in Pakistan, and I am most probably missing many senseless murders out there. Extremist Islam is a global phenomenon that has its roots in the core ideology and is extremely well-funded. To say "the religious associations are just a way to pick sides" is a very dangerous misunderstanding of what is actually going on.
     
  17. Dubious

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    We all know you are totally focused on Islam but that is not a pressing issue within our protected borders. But really how is this different than any other period in history?

    Some dudes proclaim they are the chosen people of god, so they go around killing everybody that isn't like them and take their stuff and land.
     
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    He's doing that, yes, in the most atrocious way possible.
     
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    I am actually not at all - the guys who are murdering people around the world in its name are.
     
  20. FV Santiago

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    Bush and the troops won the war. Obama's politically-motivated decisions lost it. Concise, succinct, and true.
     

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