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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rimrocker, Jul 16, 2010.

  1. tallanvor

    tallanvor Member

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    In a private voucher system a teacher would get paid what they are worth. Just like in any other private market.
     
  2. mc mark

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    Come on thumbs! step up! Take it to the extreme!

    Home schoolin' for everybody!

    AMIRITE?

    reduclious,
     
  3. Depressio

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    How does a voucher system help pay a teacher what they're worth? How do you measure their worth? Test scores? What if a teacher gets a bunch of lazy stupid students that wouldn't test well no matter how good he/she teaches?
     
  4. mc mark

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    It's because no one takes the idea seriously.
     
  5. tallanvor

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    that is a contradiction to your previous post

     
  6. mc mark

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    Okay, I'll rephrase

    No sane, rational person takes the idea seriously.

    better?

    speaking of your boy Paul, there's a new ad out today.

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  7. tallanvor

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    A teacher would get paid whatever someone was willing to pay them for their skill set. Same as an private industry (for example the NBA). Something's "worth" is defined as what someones willing to pay for it.

    As to how an employer would determine a teacher's worth; they could do it a thousand ways. They could use all sorts of different data to come up with that answer. Just like basketball GMs all use different methods to determine a basketball players worth.
     
  8. thumbs

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    You are wrong. That's not what I said at all. However, there are people out there who have done excellent jobs at home schooling. The trouble is there are too few who can actually do it.

    Talanvor, school vouchers are really not the answer. Like home schooling, some kids get really excellent educations and are ready for college, but just as many or more do not and are not. I agree with Obama in making school a year around proposition, but I do not agree that every kid should go to college. The trades can provide just as good a life for those who are so inclined. We should not denigrate trades and crafts as a career choice.

    If a child wants to go to college, he or she needs to be committed enough to prepare for it. Even the best teacher cannot teach someone who is unwilling to learn. Unfortunately, there are too many colleges out there that are nothing more than businesses that churn out product -- regardless of career preparation or training minds to assess, create and produce ideas and solutions. Okay, let someone get on the soapbox.
     
  9. tallanvor

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    Vouchers are the answer if your goal is to get teachers paid what they are worth. As for kids getting left behind; Companies are always gonna try to make money so if a bunch of slower kids are unable to find a school to go to then someone is gonna come along an offer an alternative for these kids. Or else these kids would just be sitting on their vouchers unsatisfied. You could make the same argument for unruly kids or special needs kids. If the city of Houston only had Italian restaurants and everyone wanted Mexican restaurants then someone is gonna come along and open a Mexican restaurant.

    I don't think a voucher system would leave any kid behind, in the same way everyone has access to the style of food they want.
     
  10. tallanvor

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    Jack Conway looks like some celebrity and I can't figure out who it is. It is driving me nuts. Sry, I don't have anything more meaningful to add.
     
  11. FranchiseBlade

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    I thought the argument that students are all entitled to minimal level of education throughout the nation was a pretty good argument against it.
     
  12. tallanvor

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    Does the Department of Education demand states provide a minimum level of education? I thought they only added funding to areas in need. Either way, I personally don't approve of federal government entitlements, but I know that answer won't satisfy liberals. Demanding states providing a specific education is the opposite of freedom. How long before some environmentalist gets in office and demands states teach global warming or for you liberals, how long before some conservative gets in office and demands states teach kids to eat meat?
     
  13. FranchiseBlade

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    Then the Department of Ed could put a stop to that. They should teach the science both of eating meat and global warming in education. Science should be taught.

    The Feds demand certain amounts of accountability, and through law suits the demand equal access to education for all students including those with physical disabilities etc.
     
  14. tallanvor

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    So lets say I am a crack w**** and want me kid to learn more math and less P.E. This would be impossible because the federal government demands public school kids be taught so much P.E. and I am poor and must send my kids to a public school. is that correct in principle?

    The voucher system would not have this restriction on poor crack whores. They could visit hundreds of private schools that would except the voucher and the crack w**** could pick from these schools whatever curriculum they thought best.
     
  15. mc mark

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    okay you're just ****ing with people

    we get it
     
  16. tallanvor

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    What part of my comment sis a joke to you?
     
  17. tallanvor

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    Back to the midterms.

    I don't know if any of you are betting men, but Intrade currently has the Republicans taking over the House at 74%(shares or whatever you want to call it) and Republicans taking control of the Senate at 25%. You seem pretty confident in your House Democrats Mark. You gonna throw down?

    Link
     
  18. FranchiseBlade

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    Your child without P.E. isn't going to get the best education they can. The idea of private school is that they don't have to accept everyone, and perhaps the only private school (if any at all) would accept the child is one that doesn't offer the minimal education they could get in public school. That kid is cheated out of the education they deserve through no fault of their own.

    Furthermore, if you think the Feds demand so much P.E. you should check again.
     
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    Wow, you just keep getting better. Now liberals don't eat meat?
     
  20. rimrocker

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    If I wasn't a Methodist, I would worship bacon.
     

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