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McCain was a POW

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by mc mark, Aug 24, 2008.

  1. mc mark

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    Finally! The MSM takes notice --


    Too Much of a Bad Thing

    My mom did not approve of men who cheated on their wives. She called them “long-tailed rats.”

    During the 2000 race, she listened to news reports about John McCain confessing to dalliances that caused his first marriage to fall apart after he came back from his stint as a P.O.W. in Vietnam.

    I figured, given her stringent moral standards, that her great affection for McCain would be dimmed.

    “So,” I asked her, “what do you think of that?”

    “A man who lives in a box for five years can do whatever he wants,” she replied matter-of-factly.

    I was startled, but it brought home to me what a powerful get-out-of-jail-free card McCain had earned by not getting out of jail free.

    His brutal hiatus in the Hanoi Hilton is one of the most stirring narratives ever told on the presidential trail — a trail full of heroic war stories. It created an enormous credit line of good will with the American people. It also allowed McCain, the errant son of the admiral who was the commander of U.S. forces in the Pacific during Vietnam — his jailers dubbed McCain the “Crown Prince” — to give himself some credit.

    “He has been preoccupied with escaping the shadow of his father and establishing his own image and identity in the eyes of others,” read a psychiatric evaluation in his medical files. “He feels his experiences and performance as a P.O.W. have finally permitted this to happen.”

    The ordeal also gave a more sympathetic cast to his carousing. As Robert Timberg wrote in “John McCain: An American Odyssey,” “What is true is that a number of P.O.W.’s, in those first few years after their release, often acted erratically, their lives pockmarked by drastic mood swings and uncharacteristic behavior before achieving a more mellow equilibrium.” Timberg said Hemingway’s line that people were stronger in the broken places was not always right.

    So it’s hard to believe that John McCain is now in danger of exceeding his credit limit on the equivalent of an American Express black card. His campaign is cheapening his greatest strength — and making a mockery of his already dubious claim that he’s reticent to talk about his P.O.W. experience — by flashing the P.O.W. card to rebut any criticism, no matter how unrelated. The captivity is already amply displayed in posters and TV advertisements.

    The Rev. Kirbyjon Caldwell, the pastor who married Jenna Bush and who is part of a new Christian-based political action committee supporting Obama, recently criticized the joke McCain made at the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally encouraging Cindy to enter the topless Miss Buffalo Chip contest. The McCain spokesman Brian Rogers brought out the bottomless excuse, responding with asperity that McCain’s character had been “tested and forged in ways few can fathom.”

    When the Obama crowd was miffed to learn that McCain was in a motorcade rather than in a “cone of silence” while Obama was being questioned by Rick Warren, Nicolle Wallace of the McCain camp retorted, “The insinuation from the Obama campaign that John McCain, a former prisoner of war, cheated is outrageous.”

    When Obama chaffed McCain for forgetting how many houses he owns, Rogers huffed, “This is a guy who lived in one house for five and a half years — in prison.”

    As Sam Stein notes in The Huffington Post: “The senator has even brought his military record into discussion of his music tastes. Explaining that his favorite song was ‘Dancing Queen’ by Abba, he offered that his knowledge of music ‘stopped evolving when his plane intercepted a surface-to-air missile.’ ‘Dancing Queen,’ however, was produced in 1975, eight years after McCain’s plane was shot down.”

    The Kerry Swift-boat attacks in 2004 struck down the off-limits signs that were traditionally on a candidate’s military service. Many Democrats are willing to repay the favor, and Republicans clearly no longer see war medals as sacrosanct.

    In a radio interview last week, Representative Terry Everett, an Alabama Republican, let loose with a barrage at the Democrat John Murtha, a decorated Vietnam War veteran who is the head of the House defense appropriations subcommittee, calling him “cut-and-run John Murtha” and an “idiot.”

    “And don’t talk to me about him being an ex-marine,” Everett said. “Lord, that was 40 years ago. A lot of stuff can happen in 40 years.”

    The real danger to the McCain crew in overusing the P.O.W. line so much that it’s a punch line is that it will give Obama an opening for critical questions:

    While McCain’s experience was heroic, did it create a worldview incapable of anticipating the limits to U.S. military power in Iraq? Did he fail to absorb the lessons of Vietnam, so that he is doomed to always want to refight it? Did his captivity inform a search-and-destroy, shoot-first-ask-questions-later, “We are all Georgians,” mentality?

    By MAUREEN DOWD

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/24/opinion/24dowd.html?_r=1&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print
     
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  3. mc mark

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    and just this morning --


    John McCain himself is now POW-POW-POW-ing to deflect criticism of his number-of-houses gaffe.

    McCain slipped a reference to his war captivity into an interview McCain did with CBS that's airing today. He appeared to be referring to Joe Biden's crack yesterday that McCain has trouble considering people's kitchen table issues because he has to decide which of his own seven kitchen tables to use...

    The McCain campaign appears to see that the Dem attacks on the houses gaffe could be effective as character attacks, in that they are designed to portray him as befuddled, out-of-touch, and perhaps even pampered in a way that undercuts his war-hero tough-guy bio and its intended contrast with Obama as an effete, untested lightweight. Hence the frequent response invoking his war service.

    But the "McCain-as-POW" currency the McCain camp is printing at such a furious rate -- and throwing wads of at every controversy that comes along -- is now losing value faster than the German mark after World War I.

    POW-POW-POW hyperinflation alert!
    http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/
     
  4. Rocketman95

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    we learn something new everyday. :eek:
     
  6. BigBenito

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    I personally can't wait until Rudy "911" Giuliani speaks at the Republican Convention. I wonder if it was Rudy that taught him the POW defense.
     
  7. KingCheetah

    KingCheetah Atomic Playboy
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    Being a POW isn't an excuse for every failing in your life.
     
  8. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    It's brought back one of my fondest childhood memories, shared
    by another survivor of 1981 in this entry.

    "...
    Wait -- I forgot the most important part. You send in the postcard, they call you on the phone, and you use the phone --your voice, man -- to blow up alien spacecraft. A highly advanced shooting game, similar to Space Invaders is displayed live on TV, and you would shout into the phone, "POW" to activate your laser (the thin white block)and kill the aliens(the thick white blocks). If you kill enough aliens, you win.

    Of course, that's not really how it played out. Kids would be taken aback by their sudden fame of being on TV live during little house, and would whisper "pow" too softly to activate the voice technology. Or, things would swing the other way, and you'd have thirty seconds of a kid shouting "POWPOWPOWPOW" at the top of his little lungs. This was frickin' genius in the post-pong/pre-atari world.
    ..."

    TV Kid Powww was an amazing show.

    [​IMG]
     
  9. plcmts17

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    I've been a prisoner of W for the last 8 years. I'll make sure to use that excuse when I cheat on my girlfriend. Especially if mccan't is elected.
     
  10. radapharoah

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    every time he brings up his POW excuse I think of this :D



    Code:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSciOvYatl4&feature=related
     
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  12. mc mark

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    All POW! All the time!!!!

     
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    I was listening to an NPR profile of John McCain last week and and McCain hasn't used his POW experience as an excuse for the failure of his first marriage.
     
  14. FranchiseBlade

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    His surrogates have. His campaign has used it as an excuse for everything that is brought against him, no matter how removed it is from the issue.
     
  15. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    McCain was a leader in the Navy, and was a POW for over 5 years, and he has also served his nation with honor with many years as a public servant in the US Senate.

    Obama? Well, he was a community organizer (like Sharpton?), a part-time state senator, a part-time lecturer at a school, and then served a handful of days as a US Senator prior to launching his Presidential bid.

    Biden? Well, did you know he won the International Moot Court competition when he was in law school?

    COUNTRY FIRST -- John McCain wins every time in that comparison.
     
  16. Texas Stoke

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    I'm more impressed McMark surived the 9/11 terrorists attacks and is on the side of the enemy within America.
     
  17. Master Baiter

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    Wow, good one. We've never heard that tired philosophy!
     
  18. Drexlerfan22

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    Joe McCarthy agrees with you! Yay!
     
  19. HayesStreet

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    That's pretty offensive and disgusting to compare your disillusionment with W to being a pow and having the kind of Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome that veterans do. Check yourself. :(
     
  20. plcmts17

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    Tough ****!! Fine, next time I'll tone it down and question his mental state and his patriotism ala the Rove smear machine of 2000. That was his own party assasinating his character because of his POW ordeal.

    And if McCain wants to play the POW card he can. That doesn't mean it's out of bounds for anyone to attack anymore than Kerry's service, but I guess that was different?

    Go play your pity card somewhere else.
     

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